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Neal" Cc: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" , "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" , questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 12.4 disc 1 iso is really large Message-Id: <20221210072243.9109d9c9.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: <4AC6140B-2927-46C4-8405-18FA872DEAB5@gushi.org> <20221209050452.40918a6bcccb953c197ecec6@sohara.org> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jk7nHzMilfM2W+zAwrxVj3NRaz7VQ2dVU4bpZvygX/DPl/zNiJB UO9sBh48hdYC0loq5WO8/eZdDv6r5qeYKOcXLCHJWsOM45mdZ5p3B+4VgIml+fcxLTkqKXd xy6TUoml5GM3ukliJJVXaIqUHAg1/BZzY/AsIYffxgKzMc06en4SwTLij3fgj3ikLYL1n8F sNyub56DkCMSjTflaoCAA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:x0ekE6n31gg=;oVotO4Ojj7OS0TH63bNu9fUjkQl YOK4z98COIFRufpp43ptlBVyVGRdkBjOCTgoYIKTcMd83OB9Q9w/OYQ7jFw0eijvare3WRks5 70XuyDJ0R6pYMMyFX8xAfKXQSiQlBCxFnaC6SVtZ+F9RPFL/dOuBF2Nk1+unr4RUvFSwZbW+q TnDkqBM/B4iNhM0GxLs+9cO7KT34o7+Jx70Z5n3EoQhpS29au4awbLoqeHFPmBZv1E7xtKR0y 1Sy6LtyAeKum9jxEqAGg0WsSMNcibLLO6vxpj7CKMOmKA2juf9dYk0yKG0LItULr/9c5kleG2 NodlDO3wkixRGHFv0aDDfp/gknbGFHE2gCTKvqy2JMZP9egyTDzEZE/AbTfaQ4lbbvCHMdK1E SE04oh/KR25hmnhuH9gwg3z5Fe7yvXiz8z8eWnYIOVvBtR9ml5vqRe5fndAHulvHvmV2oUlxI prm1Z+Sr/O8JCwFTKgq1GXAXxwdagtLko/bQStpJuv4zv/KntlnO09xwLT1ifXo4oS8N/B9uG 2xnRAH9vaN3unhDkIl/p5mv+R1esAIdr8CR7aaDlLfUldWQTugow8HnpFPeR1RZtEtSZWE4po Irkxhy4BJOT3Td2hTUixbikfvJO9d2SMin5i7rvsMQfI8GPe5kjnbzg9PtxuAMlh2YaYlZfH5 hup77v8w6ulaNTnXYkDxhoUHsMV1bWp9SetWV4PuSQ== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4NTd9P0Lyxz3RHv X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 9 Dec 2022 23:48:30 -0500, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > On Fri, Dec 09, 2022 at 05:04:52AM +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > > On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 22:58:01 -0600 > > "Dan Mahoney (Ports)" wrote: > > > > > All, > > > > > > I’m just noticing that the standard FreeBSD iso is some 959 megs: > > > > > > http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/releases/ISO-IMAGES/12.4/FreeBSD-12.4-RELEASE-amd64-disc1.iso > > > > > > Is there something in the release notes that basically implies we no > > > longer expect people to burn things to actual discs? > > > > You need a DVD - it's been some time since it fitted on a CD > > I still remember doing installs from floppies. > > So... what's the point of the "disc1" image that today requires a DVD if > there's also a "dvd" image made to be burned to a DVD? I've been asking this ("complaining about it") in the past. As it seems, the regular 650 MB / 700 MG size of a CD can no longer hold a FreeBSD installation... which is strange, because if it would be possible to reduce the amount of packages (!) on the disc, it would be suitable for use with CD media again, as it was in the past: The classic "4 CDs approach" of older FreeBSD versions contained: CD #1 with system installation and _some_ packages CD #2 with a live system CDs #3 and #4 with all other packages So CD #1 could always be used to install a working OS, and you could also install some packages (like X, Midnigh Commander, joe, vim, and other useful stuff). For the ultimate selection of packages, discs #3 and #4 would be used (if needed), ot the installation could continue via Internet. However, a complete offline installation was possible. Strange thing: The "bootonly" and "minimal install" images intended for use with USB media _could_ fit on a CD. Naming convention: "img" for USB images, "dvd" for DVD images, "disc" for CD images - but probably since FreeBSD 10 or 11, they no longer work with CDs... Solution: Use USB and Internet. Optical media is no longer in mainstream use, so its support will surely be dropped altogether in the future. "Everyone has fast Internet!" And now GET OFF MY LAWN!!! ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...