From nobody Fri Dec 02 14:12:10 2022 X-Original-To: questions@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NNvyr1qTPz4jYYD for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2022 14:12:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from mailout.qeng-ho.org (mailout.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.244]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4NNvyq4pd8z3KSt for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2022 14:12:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from [IPV6:2a02:8010:64c9:1::2] (unknown [IPv6:2a02:8010:64c9:1::2]) by mailout.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A785D2147A; Fri, 2 Dec 2022 14:12:10 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2022 14:12:10 +0000 List-Id: User questions List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-questions List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.5.0 Subject: Re: What is this sm-mta? Content-Language: en-GB To: Olivier Certner , questions@freebsd.org, iio7@tutanota.com References: <0ac821e1-2b78-b1e1-9b6e-399d55deb051@qeng-ho.org> <1874001.srOplnsj8m@ravel> From: Arthur Chance In-Reply-To: <1874001.srOplnsj8m@ravel> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4NNvyq4pd8z3KSt X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 02/12/2022 09:27, Olivier Certner wrote: >> According to the documentation "NONE" is deprecated. > > Yes... but no. > > There was a recent discussion here: > https://reviews.freebsd.org/D36950 > > mostly obsoleted by these commits: > d88828148d893e3d7c747f9331187ec6e44f26bd > 0b1adc42a15caea0cffbc962ca6f9e3e7b576834 > > So the deprecation has been removed (although this has not been MFCed, so the > documentation in current stable branches still marks it as deprecated). > Deprecation in FreeBSD is an interesting thing. ntpdate has been deprecated for ages (10 years? 20 years?). man ntpdate says it will be deleted and talks about ntpd -q, man ntpd says ntpdate will be replaced by a shell script. I've had ntpdate_enable="TRUE" in my rc.conf forever and run chronyd rather than ntpd. The way the world is now we ought to have a roughtime implementation to replace ntpdate. I'd write or import one but don't have the time or the crypto knowledge to do it right. -- We build our computer systems the way we build our cities; over time, without a plan, on top of ruins. — Ellen Ullman