From nobody Mon Mar 18 04:27:59 2024 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Tyhfp5ldYz5FYDR for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Received: from omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net (omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net [3.97.99.33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Tyhfn4PPNz4CkF; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:28:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from cy.schubert@cschubert.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of cy.schubert@cschubert.com has no SPF policy when checking 3.97.99.33) smtp.mailfrom=cy.schubert@cschubert.com Received: from shw-obgw-4002a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.250]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPS id lrCxrLby7drxEm4bRr7Kwa; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:28:01 +0000 Received: from spqr.komquats.com ([70.66.152.170]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPSA id m4bPrHckG9Cr4m4bQrP6yr; Mon, 18 Mar 2024 04:28:01 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=etl8zZpX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=65f7c2d1 a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:117 a=y8EK/9tc/U6QY+pUhnbtgQ==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=K6JAEmCyrfEA:10 a=H0GPC0OhAAAA:8 a=YxBL1-UpAAAA:8 a=6I5d2MoRAAAA:8 a=EkcXrb_YAAAA:8 a=Ji1MOiCH79_d2jTUGqQA:9 a=3ZKOabzyN94A:10 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=UJ0tAi3fqDAA:10 a=KczGKrPSgCPlefTG41c3:22 a=Ia-lj3WSrqcvXOmTRaiG:22 a=IjZwj45LgO3ly-622nXo:22 a=LK5xJRSDVpKd5WXXoEvA:22 Received: from slippy.cwsent.com (slippy [10.1.1.91]) by spqr.komquats.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51E672A0D; Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slippy.cwsent.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1FA1014A; Sun, 17 Mar 2024 21:27:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: exmh version 2.9.0 11/07/2018 with nmh-1.8+dev Reply-to: Cy Schubert From: Cy Schubert X-os: FreeBSD X-Sender: cy@cwsent.com X-URL: http://www.cschubert.com/ To: Eugene Grosbein cc: Daniel Engberg , Florian Smeets , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Proposed ports deprecation and removal policy In-reply-to: <8212dd5a-bcc2-e214-0373-6dbfddef65c2@grosbein.net> References: <435edf7c-a956-4317-b327-3372de70dbef@FreeBSD.org> <1c5b7818-842f-f7b8-9d4e-5bf681cad20e@grosbein.net> <64c7435c-2d69-1f62-ba7c-30812860a457@grosbein.net> <9646fd5d0666c8e57795ea1b370b6af1@mail.infomaniak.com> <7a7501f71442d27f6d8c1c0a16f247c1@mail.infomaniak.com> <8212dd5a-bcc2-e214-0373-6dbfddef65c2@grosbein.net> Comments: In-reply-to Eugene Grosbein message dated "Fri, 15 Mar 2024 14:25:10 +0700." List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2024 22:27:59 -0600 Message-Id: <20240318042759.1FA1014A@slippy.cwsent.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfGCCd7n76OwLlhs264gwCJwNsgZpdM8gdNWfiYR9fF7ZtceLI04pZmR4ebtz/XT2Vs2VSjYWa1Gqx8GvagPMKtrC6RC7/DJ2U8gkxM047ki+AzG0Zl3Z IyIFgGK00BYoG/kLQzuePeGAL5TUBhxA/eqtaK2+QGyvfJSozlDAnmizUvcQafzveoc+qBaROCdMHdP/1GVWOT5LNNChOaK3OWLezrH/c/zc7rzENS6iolkQ EBA0nB8EoGQkq1GyLkga6Zjc1UHjpkI9CjDNDNVMDiFaDK4uZCID/Rmx/fbrzG6q X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.50 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.80)[-0.800]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[3.97.99.33:from]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16509, ipnet:3.96.0.0/15, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[Cy.Schubert@cschubert.com]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cschubert.com]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tyhfn4PPNz4CkF In message <8212dd5a-bcc2-e214-0373-6dbfddef65c2@grosbein.net>, Eugene Grosbein writes: > 15.03.2024 3:37, Daniel Engberg wrote: > > On 2024-03-12T15:15:49.000+01:00, Eugene Grosbein wrot > e: > >> 12.03.2024 3:24, Daniel Engberg пишет: > >> > >> [skip] > >> > >> > >>> Another possible option would be to add something to the port's mateda > ta that makes pkg aware and easy notiable > >>> like using a specific color for portname and related information to sign > al > >>> like if it's red it means abandonware and potentially reduced security. > >> > >> Of course, we need to inform users but not enforce. Tools, not policy. > >> > > Eugene > > > > Hi, > > > > Given that we seem to agree on these points in general why should such port > s still be kept in the tree? > > A port should be kept in the tree until it works and has no known security pr > oblems, not imaginable. > > > We don't have such tooling available and it wont likely happen anytime soon > . > > Because it's convenient for a committer who uses these in a controlled netw > ork despite being potentially harmful for others? > > "Potentially harmful" is not valid reason to remove a port. Look at vulnerabi > lity history of any modern web browser. > We know they are full of security holes. All of them. And will be despite of > being supported by developers, it does not matter in fact. > Old software is often much more simple and secure despite of lack of support. > > Do not remove ports just due to theorizing. > > Eugene > > You have articulated three cogent points in your last three emails. Thank you. -- Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: https://FreeBSD.org NTP: Web: https://nwtime.org e^(i*pi)+1=0