From nobody Mon Feb 19 07:58:39 2024 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TdZfq2Sp9z5B2C4 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 07:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rozhuk.im@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TdZfq0ZnRz4HTj; Mon, 19 Feb 2024 07:58:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rozhuk.im@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id 5b1f17b1804b1-41242d2f73cso18743115e9.0; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:58:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708329522; x=1708934322; darn=freebsd.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:date:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=nPlkFQBb78MyK4OINk+5UZTOhB/xPcbk6XUxgATdEy0=; b=ORpfa7FBZWa0y/lFCDtWpc2NSeiagedzzC5D2+4POfaR+CGzKBLdeBuvtMbWZ0CUn6 MsXa4uCINz+fHnBmTwmLT9mVBIaQZr/Tg4jfc4C1tKA1rprXFmlQdV0i4I/Ja7k9grxp JXFAkEbVYfTMLPKqHrHr/lUaFaJmPdx0aHw5APRO/ClUDquCtMNMgxU5pP8ZAh98A4L3 SmtWB5vwKob2XisFiQA3gSGFJPpTKsRsWz6uSurgv4It6nLpMD+aDaKx0Lgu/qjdYrlW DKruLD8dew/vFwWev5GX6jshL2/QB8bbqvtexm+pekIsMAIZzz57B2jgPTb1J7mA2W52 z3gQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708329522; x=1708934322; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :message-id:subject:cc:to:date:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=nPlkFQBb78MyK4OINk+5UZTOhB/xPcbk6XUxgATdEy0=; b=qXDYSuGsYY4Rst6r9MI0xjcndZTL/q5Wga2jkOR0IG57v2PgesAy4J4gXr83Igj9uG PkwO2PCs+oEgVR7kIJ/QldDeMBN9SFyRFfQzIElFgiRegszAtI/H+w8dV0tkCYwp60kI fLqwfxFY8I1YIDJZTGynNs6MY7526n02WLC0u9ZFFs20wF9dBGG4XNHaIE5xVyd3dkFj oBN7ryr1cw0sEcfiQBAoBLIJTB45Q6ZxCs2tC8h5b1QzdrnJiT3Qf7BHcsfUuoBZ3aji XlPmpcxeH5W1jgH0HtDLa6tYORKt4d2EWKzg87Pui6tkS1ob1ku2wTb0W1H1V2DxUN97 +8Jg== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWPmD0FMmBxSrT7ApHBKMjuBmu7XQTyrIaZ47HzX4WKnR8SY2z7tBuh5vepwHDAVBP6SusS/yi28opzELmBFXrt4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzpiGBcg40hQ6sOA5iIRPBuDyiv8W/hChcFvGdP3vfX1zJX44Zr 3fPPcuntB6ODdpfcthFIQsRqVUoEp+PZEl7CmnvnGfSVSbYsJ45K3oXaoznyV76gJg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHx9xQssUNa+uDu2M6gtUGF5on1aq1oATsS0Bw9EjzQWjvdp+tjadvNFuHaNlq1wHlX311+jg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6000:402c:b0:33d:4ae7:aa36 with SMTP id cp44-20020a056000402c00b0033d4ae7aa36mr2293840wrb.18.1708329521575; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from rimwks.local ([2001:470:1f15:3d8:e1a1:4714:f290:1540]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t17-20020adfe111000000b0033d56d43fbesm1096714wrz.115.2024.02.18.23.58.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:58:41 -0800 (PST) From: Rozhuk Ivan X-Google-Original-From: Rozhuk Ivan Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2024 09:58:39 +0200 To: Kurt Jaeger Cc: Aryeh Friedman , ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD ports community is broken Message-ID: <20240219095839.3f58db37@rimwks.local> In-Reply-To: References: <20240218015843.34c5d078@rimwks.local> <7q6ep7m2eee6yqtxftlwkhuwdkssd74vjow55txms7lkokazfu@grrqllhefges> <20240218174921.a8082649142dd43a469bebfa@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <4ekno7iwxvdlw4xeholcrxuuazmcstxkqyidrz27ni43lzu6wg@3ro6r5b2vhoi> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.1 (GTK 3.24.41; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TdZfq0ZnRz4HTj X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 12:31:32 +0100 Kurt Jaeger wrote: > > Wonderful: Are we now moving to the binary pkg only for mere mortals > > then. > > Unfortunatly, yes. Loss of this functionality = loss of one of the main competitive advantages over many Linux distributions. It will be easier to go to Ubuntu than to use FreeBSD. > > So when is it going to be possible for a mere mortal like the > > machine above to use portmaster or recursive make install since > > Poudrie is a machine killer > > Both options are probably no longer possible given the requirements > in the convoluted world of software. > > See for example this article: > > https://spectrum.ieee.org/lean-software-development > If you do not look at Python and Ruby projects, then everything is not so bad with dependencies and assembly. But this and all sorts of docker are a consequence of the fact that there are many construction cubes - libraries from which you can assemble anything. This is an offtopic :)