From nobody Sun Feb 18 11:49:53 2024 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Td3rJ2bcZz53yNc for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 11:50:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamaz.mazum@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Td3rH5gMWz4WQb for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 11:50:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from shamaz.mazum@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2d2376258f1so3223711fa.2 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 03:50:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1708257006; x=1708861806; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=q9lv92piwDyzLABTXJ0I1bVJYZyKaN6EhcWX1F/0SXE=; b=WWWwzvuvRvMx1u5Yl+XAaZlu/AJ6lV802LHn1vTaeeVVn0Y9rE1wbBflZ8b4w2zPqH TYAzVL10cclDMgqdL3PJ8AawPSkhTkScWNrqHuJgPHq7zcGC+N1I5+ZaHND0/IsLaNXw M2CWZzkulilvrp1ZCAEHIhYdromFYRcAUSBEyuJ7x9RjEmtF0bCtdbrzUTTa5Rs4oKqn BniDiX7kzAurTRFp0keuqRWTIzPtxx2oBJX3h7Hsc2WzVlR+6Tx7c5yJA30U1UermBbs dM2q3OTlxyo9dXjLwiuoeTFpuCbg/oK4gJau3Y9pT/v/gDrj5SI1Fw5+v+ZujIfn70bP HqBg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1708257006; x=1708861806; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=q9lv92piwDyzLABTXJ0I1bVJYZyKaN6EhcWX1F/0SXE=; b=Qe/8CwIoHlg83VBTOb1pxCpOdiK/VvG92XORXTL5ZaisOuAJHp+IosQ08i2yb77ya0 NjFC16yE1cWAC3zuNCGw6ofBM6CdvJP/5K80nQmmXXe3BYhVEYblGtSkxhHZqXewDf1s QIHNZMiblH0xvNzCqgddxeyETthc+uYuFh5M8hoCF/hwbY47etX0zmleWsNxiXr3IlT/ Sz5qttc/iz0JtMSfO1umdrbwT+cj/5Bd+B74A9VOCW2Z0ruauRdnX8+GJnEYivUC6VgC 5DkeHiVLe+NE8p+iJiA1WjzN6jlbOG4jSlTjJpOZpXaeEfclIHqihiLUNCIBMtui9WcO LB3Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyuZ23ElXNz3mawFdXc1rh0Yflk9CTSZjJFcOZsgqKxKh73t6ZL IgGjPmHGeU2rzDcFPod/NbVC0IzEPeXGOOsVstFhkbf+wfCtJXbdVHPkrMJZRVwtfpy15sVYi8g NT0KZ7RI0Hqb9KrLilPWQHgKfwHMX3BhivE0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGkr5GqMCXyL03kkUhGrziWOuCdCCMQEJcKsY73ydQljzVBiFSULkfUXUkjOUgXucNnYnD2Qh285iybtzw+3r0= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9e10:0:b0:2d0:f629:82b9 with SMTP id e16-20020a2e9e10000000b002d0f62982b9mr6825320ljk.34.1708257005701; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 03:50:05 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20240218015843.34c5d078@rimwks.local> <7q6ep7m2eee6yqtxftlwkhuwdkssd74vjow55txms7lkokazfu@grrqllhefges> <20240218174921.a8082649142dd43a469bebfa@dec.sakura.ne.jp> <4ekno7iwxvdlw4xeholcrxuuazmcstxkqyidrz27ni43lzu6wg@3ro6r5b2vhoi> In-Reply-To: From: Vasily Postnicov Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:49:53 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Re: FreeBSD ports community is broken To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: ports@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000028d590611a6948d" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Td3rH5gMWz4WQb X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] --000000000000028d590611a6948d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I may be wrong, but in my opinion, FreeBSD is definitely not for beginners :) Reading some documentation is usually required before one can use it. =D0=B2=D1=81, 18 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80. 2024 =D0=B3., 14:45 Aryeh Friedm= an : > On Sun, Feb 18, 2024 at 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Vasily Postnicov > wrote: > > > > My 50 cents about poudriere: it's definitely not a machine-killer. Just > remember to disable tmpfs for too heavy ports (my list includes rust, 0ad= , > webengine), start with only two jobs (one job is bad because the build ca= n > be blocked by fetching or packaging) and set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes. > > > > This configuration works fine and without swap consumption on my 32GB > computer. > > > > Another improvement: set MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER to a half of available cores. > This way (two jobs each using n/2 cores) you can map your build processes > to all available cores. > > Like I said I know there are after install non-default configs (like > the above) that make it manageable. That is not the point the point > is that such settings should be the defaults and on super hefty build > machines like the foundations parts farm then you can go for more > aggressive configs. I think what I am getting at is the defaults > are all wrong (which they are not in make install or portmaster) and > thus add an other learning curve hoop in for new users of the system. > --000000000000028d590611a6948d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I may be wrong, but in my opinion, FreeBSD is definitely = not for beginners :) Reading some documentation is usually required before = one can use it.

=D0=B2=D1=81, 18 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80. 2024 =D0=B3., 14= :45 Aryeh Friedman <aryehfrie= dman@gmail.com>:
On Sun, Feb= 18, 2024 at 6:41=E2=80=AFAM Vasily Postnicov <shamaz.mazum@gmail.co= m> wrote:
>
> My 50 cents about poudriere: it's definitely not a machine-killer.= Just remember to disable tmpfs for too heavy ports (my list includes rust,= 0ad, webengine), start with only two jobs (one job is bad because the buil= d can be blocked by fetching or packaging) and set ALLOW_MAKE_JOBS=3Dyes. >
> This configuration works fine and without swap consumption on my 32GB = computer.
>
> Another improvement: set MAKE_JOBS_NUMBER to a half of available cores= . This way (two jobs each using n/2 cores) you can map your build processes= to all available cores.

Like I said I know there are after install non-default configs (like
the above) that make it manageable.=C2=A0 =C2=A0That is not the point the p= oint
is that such settings should be the defaults and on super hefty build
machines like the foundations parts farm then you can go for more
aggressive configs.=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think what I am getting at is the defaul= ts
are all wrong (which they are not in make install or portmaster) and
thus add an other learning curve hoop in for new users of the system.
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