From nobody Sun Feb 18 10:16:33 2024 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Td1mN72D7z5C9c1 for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix@palmen-it.de) Received: from stef.palmen-it.de (stef.palmen-it.de [IPv6:2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Td1mN0h6dz4F5M for ; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:16:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from felix@palmen-it.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=palmen-it.de header.s=20200414 header.b=UBFVPtdC; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of felix@palmen-it.de designates 2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=felix@palmen-it.de; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed)" header.from=freebsd.org (policy=none) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=palmen-it.de; s=20200414; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=xeW2+9Mld3Q4m4JYLjXcS9xnohgWwbd5ih/vQqMsmDg=; b=UBFVPtdCvKfSOcbVaKU7g4vEN8 FzEo/UAQiIFGx5IGmBskvqgsS2GdtRGffhlDvL19vbWqvpyW1HvyqjXJ7SrKVpU+2Cx8MoIl4BQe1 STJZBCdJn/Q6px7Y3VUSd4ABgHE5IMlE0+UavkAZHL3lpTn3H3Yux9xD0wThZc72FIuL8Gg7h2vJx 8AsYtvBtUmDhmygGWEpC4bqjR9dMFsaJ0OWA8lqI6RKskfldmGVH9TdaHwLG5Dle4zg6ghFz+A5Kt nVYDQmAM6N5sMX0PPNk1zGXbqCaCtvaPU4GC5WX8arPZY00Jkh2QmcB6NEX4C9am8BOTo5rYXw3p7 bsV/znAQ==; Received: from [192.168.71.101] (helo=mail.home.palmen-it.de) by stef.palmen-it.de with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1rbeIp-000WLo-2x for ports@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 11:16:34 +0100 Received: from nexus.home.palmen-it.de ([192.168.99.2]) by mail.home.palmen-it.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256 (Exim 4.97 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1rbeDq-00000000AA7-1BFx for ports@freebsd.org; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 10:16:34 +0000 Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 11:16:33 +0100 From: Felix Palmen To: ports@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: FreeBSD ports community is broken Message-ID: <4ekno7iwxvdlw4xeholcrxuuazmcstxkqyidrz27ni43lzu6wg@3ro6r5b2vhoi> Mail-Followup-To: ports@freebsd.org X-Face: /1K@t"h.}e~pR@]c7HorQ!T`F^RJCa'BCr#e>IKA{>C/9OTGB4|xh"y2{?1Z5M i2w"AH^pN_LlHR^{+f',_Np~;.B;!M/bL}*qk]p5*r7F5vW};{:@4u5S?T&f0$7BJ-71Q5SV]:v$`5 A0[DZ:=?S52x8HJ~5@^P_\T@MsjG{R( Organization: FreeBSD.org References: <20240218015843.34c5d078@rimwks.local> <7q6ep7m2eee6yqtxftlwkhuwdkssd74vjow55txms7lkokazfu@grrqllhefges> <20240218174921.a8082649142dd43a469bebfa@dec.sakura.ne.jp> List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ldroseff5jtlrijl" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20240218174921.a8082649142dd43a469bebfa@dec.sakura.ne.jp> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20231221 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Td1mN0h6dz4F5M X-Spamd-Bar: ------- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-7.40 / 15.00]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[palmen-it.de:dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[zirias@freebsd.org,felix@palmen-it.de]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[palmen-it.de:s=20200414]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2001:470:1f0b:bbb:1::1:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[freebsd.org : SPF not aligned (relaxed), DKIM not aligned (relaxed),none]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[palmen-it.de:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[zirias@freebsd.org,felix@palmen-it.de]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1] --ldroseff5jtlrijl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Tomoaki AOKI [20240218 17:49]: > [a lot about automotive regulations] That's a nice example how comparisons of entirely different domains almost always go completely wrong. To start with, cars (and especially individual parts) typically aren't subject to consumer customizations, and if they are, it's way outside the manufacturer's responsibility. Here, we were talking about breakage that only happened when you customized your port builds. We aren't talking about security-relevant breakage either. As explained in the PR as well, of course we add (temporary) workarounds to *individual* ports when it seems necessary. We certainly don't add workarounds to the framework itself unless it's perfectly clear there will be no other way. Not even considering yet that just fiddling with CFLAGS has the potential to break a lot of other things when done globally. All I have left to say is seeing a toxic thread like this is a very frustrating experience. So, I'll now move on to something else. --=20 Felix Palmen {private} felix@palmen-it.de -- ports committer -- {web} http://palmen-it.de {pgp public key} http://palmen-it.de/pub.txt {pgp fingerprint} 6936 13D5 5BBF 4837 B212 3ACC 54AD E006 9879 F231 --ldroseff5jtlrijl Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iNUEABYKAH0WIQRpNhPVW79IN7ISOsxUreAGmHnyMQUCZdHY+18UgAAAAAAuAChp c3N1ZXItZnByQG5vdGF0aW9ucy5vcGVucGdwLmZpZnRoaG9yc2VtYW4ubmV0Njkz NjEzRDU1QkJGNDgzN0IyMTIzQUNDNTRBREUwMDY5ODc5RjIzMQAKCRBUreAGmHny MWXrAQDhkifWXL8fzmC3wSpL6ZKTAcB6OwkFcEF2qlekRyd6pQEA5xkNIH9cjrkE twmvmXLgcVdy8y0r14uHxTTVRV3s1AM= =ZLZI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ldroseff5jtlrijl--