From nobody Thu Apr 04 15:55:59 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4V9R6w2WmQz5HD0l for ; Thu, 4 Apr 2024 15:56:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4V9R6v6BjFz4Thb; Thu, 4 Apr 2024 15:56:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 434FtxLd042902; Thu, 4 Apr 2024 08:56:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from portmaster@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ultimatedns.net; s=mx99; t=1712246165; x=1712246765; r=y; bh=WOpShXzx/cFrc9bfhQ5FDt6pbEvA2Q5+dZVOSb1om+A=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=auutzpnrpeAM+i3xNFzHMLRIRwxu8e/6GQ6EWXUHyP7y/s85pm2XJ6I47sAb3OHKP Qp4nmvozLqc9hummo75l3EhAtOlB1en34Vc6YRQkhOcxmThCyELgQ7w794DR0bf+bH K2Bgn7NzpCRxMWJKZQLDzX6o5hkc4YFyUTDDN2QDoSFNlZBbzbMwGyUcTFNOvRxdw5 elIvfvJ7o6dOUEryvijbC46q4a8Z2+Qf/GfYpulkSFMuS+2oWm80RtgBnok1NiG2AZ m8UUXjklmNx7D3A3dC67QN2GpR9IVdn0iS7a6s2lvX6k9kU0YNSp7AJje9QawTlJ3Q Aobazp7fkf2AQ== List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2024 08:55:59 -0700 From: Chris To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: freebsd-ports Subject: Re: poudriere(8) short circuits my ability to build packages In-Reply-To: References: <78550638a3787fd0897093fdad463a00@bsdforge.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <7aba89d38b4d0e84f8ba941452215f73@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: portmaster@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4V9R6v6BjFz4Thb On 2024-04-04 00:41, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Thu 04 Apr 00:30, Chris wrote: >> I do all of my development in jails. As such I have no use for >> poudriere(8). > > I stopped reading here, because it clearly shows you haven't understand at > all > what value poudriere(8) is bringing, It appears you've taken this personally. You've put alot into it -- since releng/9, as memory serves. I can respect that. > hint using jail is not it, poudriere > leverages jails, but we could do without jail while providing the same > value. Not if it imposes itself. Not if it limits a users/maintainers choice(s). I've been using jail(8) long before the advent of pkg(8). I can spin up a complete jail in ~10 seconds by only answering 2 questions -- name of jail && release. I whipped up a script long ago to facilitate this. That's (or was) the beauty of BSD -- the myriad of options it provided by composing 100's of commands that acted as building blocks that facilitated options limited by only ones imagination. Something that the Linux world could not compete with. My gripe here, is that it *appears* to me that pkg(8) is hoping to limit those options -- who doesn't like choices? It makes the OS overall, more appealing to a greater number of people. Because the OS can be as diverse as the worlds population. If I've misunderstood the message reported to me by pkg(8) in my attempt to create a package, and it *doesn't* prevent me from creating a package in my chosen environment. Please accept my apology for being ignorant. But in my humble defense; the message seems to indicate I have no other choice(s). > Bapt -- --Chris Hutchinson