From nobody Mon Sep 25 20:29:04 2023 X-Original-To: ports@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RvZGr59Nwz4v2VB for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:29:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Received: from mail.punkt.de (mail.punkt.de [217.29.41.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RvZGq35hDz3ZsX for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2023 20:29:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from hausen@punkt.de) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of hausen@punkt.de designates 217.29.41.227 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=hausen@punkt.de; dmarc=none Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [IPv6:2003:a:d59:3800:3535:7779:6bbe:dd75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.punkt.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8AF2555CE2; Mon, 25 Sep 2023 22:29:15 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3731.700.6\)) Subject: Re: dns/bind916 builds rust unexpectedly From: "Patrick M. Hausen" In-Reply-To: <11aede54-89d0-9b46-28f8-1931571b8917@m5p.com> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 22:29:04 +0200 Cc: ports@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1e05be67-cb15-964e-c78b-e74e714257a9@FreeBSD.org> <11aede54-89d0-9b46-28f8-1931571b8917@m5p.com> To: George Mitchell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3731.700.6) X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.77 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.968]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.29.32.0/20]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[ports@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16188, ipnet:217.29.32.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; BLOCKLISTDE_FAIL(0.00)[2003:a:d59:3800:3535:7779:6bbe:dd75:server fail,217.29.41.227:server fail]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[punkt.de]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4RvZGq35hDz3ZsX Hi all, > Am 25.09.2023 um 22:21 schrieb George Mitchell = : >=20 > On 9/25/23 11:38, Guido Falsi wrote: >> [...] >> There is a more general aspect to this. In the rest of the unix world = software is now almost universally build using CI systems and = buildboxes, people use binary packages almost all the time in linux. = Developers don't care to keep low overhead in their builds and with = dependency. The ports tree cannot mitigate this external pressure. >> Anyway building from ports on live machines has always been bad = practice for a lot of reasons. >> [...] > And yet it mostly works for some of us. I'd be overjoyed to sign up > with the program (using packages only) if packages not using CUPS > (that would run with unassisted lpr) were available, let's say as a > flavor. But until then ... -- George really not intending to be the wise guy, but if you have any significant number of machines to manage and special package requirements, please by all means run poudriere. It's a marvelous piece of software. We went that way early 2017 and never looked back. Kind regards, Patrick --=20 punkt.de GmbH Patrick M. Hausen .infrastructure Sophienstr. 187 76185 Karlsruhe Tel. +49 721 9109500 https://infrastructure.punkt.de info@punkt.de AG Mannheim 108285 Gesch=C3=A4ftsf=C3=BChrer: Daniel Lienert, Fabian Stein