Re:_The_installation_of_“Stable_Diffusion_web_UI ”_natively_on_FreeBSD_fails_because_can’t_install_torch_ and_torchvision

Hello.

Do you remember me,Tomek ? I'm the newbie that, some time ago, tried to
clone and install the “*Stable Diffusion web UI*” on FreeBSD,failing. Today
I tried a different experiment. I tried to install the *AUTOMATIC1111 webui
for stable diffusion* within my */compat/ubuntu* "distro" using the FreeBSD
linuxulator. You can find the whole thread here :

https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/can-the-nv-sglrun-wrapper-launch-the-python3-script-needed-to-allow-torch-to-detect-my-gpu.87610/

Unfortunately it failed,but I feel that it could work making some
modifications within the file "launch.py". Do you want to give it a look ?
Maye it can be done with a minimum effort. Very thanks.

Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 02:00 Mario Marietto <
marietto2008@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> ---> Most of us are in this position :-)
>
> From you I've learnt that everytime you end a sentence with the " :-) "
> character,you are ironic. So,I should not take you seriously :-)
> So I'm sure that you earn more money than me with your job :P
>
> ---> If you do not want to put your time and effort to do the job on your
> own, also you state there is no reason to do the job for you, then who do
> you expect to do the job ?
>
> This is the kind of argument that makes me hurt. Even because you seem to
> have the ability to skip / avoid the argument that you don't like or that
> you don't want to reply to. I tell this because your next argument after
> that ignores it. Maybe you are confused and you don't know what's the
> difference between "want to do and be able to do". I can't do that kind
> of task. You have provided me with an estimate of how much effort and
> skills are needed. So,please don't overestimate my abilities. I don't do
> this to you. I've asked if you are able to analyze a mindset and you didn't
> reply,so what ? I imagine that you understand that you can't do that.
> So,why should I be able to make a job like the one you have described if I
> use everyday Linux , Freebsd as a hobby only ? What scares me is a belief
> that goes around on the net, which I call a form of omnipotence, in which
> people believe that others can do whatever they want. I've often found
> people who say they haven't even gotten a computer science degree yet,but
> they solve all the problems and they have a job in companies that pay them
> very well. These are discrepancies I will never understand. What I do
> know, however, is that omnipotence in clinical psychology is a way of being
> that is found in many psychopathological serious frameworks. I don't expect
> that someone will do the job. I've asked,for my technical curiosity, who
> was the major responsible for the absence of what is needed to make the
> torch work : I'm not sure if it belongs more to the python or the freebsd
> developers. I ask this because I don't understand what are the boundaries
> of the respective areas of competence.
>
> ---> Switch to supported OS to get things working out of the box :-)
>
> I don't want things that work out of the box. If I wanted to do that, we
> wouldn't be talking here, because I would be using Windows. Instead I've
> been using Linux for many years and Freebsd for a few years. This means
> that I accept and I can manage and solve a whole series of problems that
> don't require too many skills.
>
> Il giorno mar 22 nov 2022 alle ore 01:26 Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info>
> ha scritto:
>
>> Long story short: PyTorch does not work on FreeBSD at this point, use
>> Linux version, or any other OS where binary packages are provided.
>>
>> Short story long: below :-)
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 6:48 PM Mario Marietto wrote:
>> > Tomek,can you repeat the steps you did when you tried to install
>> pytorch,but this time using torch as Gleb Popov suggested ? very thanks.
>>
>> Already did, please take a look at previous answers :-)
>>
>> When you try to install pytorch you will get an error you should use
>> torch name instead.. but there are no packages provided from FreeBSD..
>> and it does not build from the sources.. more work is necessary to
>> update the pytorch in order to build and run on FreeBSD.. looks like
>> weeks of work.. and this should be done by someone already familiar
>> with that tool to verify its operations even if it builds.. also note
>> that it has some hard dependencies on hardware acceleration that may
>> not yet be available here.
>>
>> I would strongly use platform that is officially supported by the project.
>>
>> Get the correct tool for the task :-)
>>
>>
>> > Il giorno lun 21 nov 2022 alle ore 17:46 Mario Marietto ha scritto:
>> >>
>> >> Oh no,man,I don't think I'm. My job is totally different than yours.
>> I'm a psychologist. My training has been totally different. In your
>> opinion, can I make a job totally different from yours ? If it was
>> true,so,ok,you can analyze the people's mindset without a problem. You can
>> get two jobs,you can earn two incomes. Why don't you make it ? I like to
>> play with linux-freebsd as a hobby. I can learn what I don't know ?
>> Sure,for those tasks that are of low-medium difficulties only. So,I should
>> even hire someone,spending money. You didn't understand my position. I
>> don't earn enough money even to live day by day. In your opinion,can I
>> spend money on that ? In addition,It works under Windows and Linux. So,this
>> is another reason to not spend money on it.
>>
>>
>> Most of us are in this position :-)
>>
>> Most of us have one or two or three projects / jobs to make a living
>> and then some spare time to develop Open-Source that we need on our
>> own and then we share the results "for free". Imagine how many new
>> things we have to learn and how many problems we encounter / overcome
>> in that process.
>>
>> There is no "magic company" that takes infinite amount of money from
>> thin air to create working solutions based on people demands for
>> free.. even governments that fund "public research" are taxing their
>> own citizens.. commercial companies only develop Open-Source when they
>> have valid business model and funding for it.
>>
>> If you do not want to put your time and effort to do the job on your
>> own, also you state there is no reason to do the job for you, then who
>> do you expect to do the job?
>>
>> Really few lucky people are "paid good full-time salary for a
>> development on demand" where results are shared back to the public.
>> Even if, the work must be useful for a company that invest their money
>> and time to hire folks to develop new features, port software, etc.
>>
>> Development of the Open-Source is not free. You can use it for free.
>> But there may be years of expensive work and thousands of brainz
>> behind. Please understand and respect that that you are given a
>> solution for free, but creating that solution is always quite
>> expensive in the first place.
>>
>> Someone had to create the PyTorch, hire people to make it happen, then
>> the results are shared "for free". This tool was developed on Linux,
>> macOS and Windows, because there are packages provided. Making it work
>> on FreeBSD requires work that needs to be done. You cannot expect
>> anyone to do the job for you unless you care it enough to make it
>> happen yourself.. or find the funding to do the work for you. Maybe
>> the company that created PyTorch will be interested in porting to a
>> new unsupported platform but that is highly unlikely.
>>
>> Most of us would like to "just focus" on what we need, but hey we all
>> need to pay the bills, thus we are all in the same position of making
>> choices where to invest our time for skills development and what might
>> be the results :-)
>>
>>
>> > And again : I don't work in any company,I'm not motivated enough even
>> for "intellectual" reasons.
>>
>> Get the right tool for the task. Just use the supported OS and the
>> problem is be solved :-)
>>
>> Most of us are simply driven by a curiosity, on how / why things work,
>> how to make things work, how to create new things, and we share what
>> we do with the rest of the world.. the reason we do not know something
>> is quite enough challenging motivation to get the required skills..
>> but hey there are only 24 hours in a single day :-)
>>
>>
>> > Try to forget me for a while and try to reply to my question : who has
>> more responsibility in this kind of situation where there is something to
>> do to fill the gap between the pytorch and the freebsd developers ? thanks.
>>
>> With the non-technical explanations above I am sure you will now
>> understand that  "you are responsible to make things that you care
>> about work" :-)
>>
>> Switch to supported OS to get things working out of the box :-)
>>
>> --
>> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info
>>
>
>
> --
> Mario.
>


-- 
Mario.