[Bug 251117] [NEW PORT] www/palemoon: Open-source web browser

https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=251117

--- Comment #100 from Matt A. Tobin <email@mattatobin.com> ---
(In reply to Matt A. Tobin from comment #99)
A days prior as well..

Feb 25 07:41:42 <NewTobinParadigm> Moonchild: I am not at all willing to work
with any BSD without a commitment from them to actually work with us. I also
want to remove ALL BSD support from gre as it stands today and have THEM add
BACK support in a more proper way ala SunOS.. The issues of Pale Moon branding
is no longer my public consern but they shall not have any permission to use
BinOC branding and associated applications. Put their fuckin money where their
mouth is 
Feb 25 07:41:42 <NewTobinParadigm> and re-do freebsd support from the ground up
or fuck off and die like the communists they are.
Feb 25 07:42:45 <NewTobinParadigm> In my opinion, OlCe1 has already proven to
not be a serious contender for this endeavor. Someone else must lead this
charge. Someone who is reasonable.
Feb 25 07:43:27 <Moonchild> Oh I agree. I'm just still probing to see what's
going on.
Feb 25 07:43:41 <NewTobinParadigm> i figured you would for the most part.
Feb 25 07:43:57 <NewTobinParadigm> Just wanted to make sure there was a current
crystallized statement from me.
Feb 25 07:44:07 <Moonchild> And he himself said he's not sure whether all the
BSD code paths are even necessary, so that aligns exactly with what you would
want.
Feb 25 07:44:29 <Moonchild> But I'm not pouring all that out in one go. I have
to know details from them.
Feb 25 07:45:00 <NewTobinParadigm> I believe they once were .. 15 years ago..
in general i think that is true and our plans to prefer XP_UNIX except where it
is necessary to get more specific is a good one for our general stability and
code clarity
Feb 25 07:45:15 <Moonchild> Yup
Feb 25 07:45:48 <NewTobinParadigm> take the Tobin Factor out of the equation
and it rings of actually being fair and proper to all unixes I think
Feb 25 07:45:48 <Moonchild> I'm just letting them know a compromise and BSD
support in our tree is possible -- but haven't said anything about HOW that's
going to be done.
Feb 25 07:46:06 <NewTobinParadigm> except mac :P
Feb 25 07:46:10 <NewTobinParadigm> which is fake-unix 
Feb 25 07:46:14 <Moonchild> Mac can fuck off
Feb 25 07:46:17 <Moonchild> so can OpenBsd
Feb 25 07:46:40 <Moonchild> i will ONLY support freeBSD because all the other
ones have been excessively hostile
Feb 25 07:47:01 <NewTobinParadigm> i'd be willing to facilitate openbsd if one
person one user was man enough to do their best and not get railroaded by their
bsdpeers
Feb 25 07:47:01 <Moonchild> not in the least by keeping dragging in that one
openBSD github issue -every-fucking-where-they-could
Feb 25 07:47:07 <Moonchild> and that was unnecessary
Feb 25 07:47:16 <Moonchild> No, OpenBSD can fuck off
Feb 25 07:47:22 <Moonchild> I will not have it after that
Feb 25 07:47:47 <Moonchild> and they are being special snowflakes anyway that
will require a lot of extra complexity. just look at the code in our tree.
Feb 25 07:47:54 <Moonchild> so no, it's not feasible
Feb 25 07:48:08 <NewTobinParadigm> openbsd has some very strange oddities
internal to them that freebsd doesn't 
Feb 25 07:48:10 <NewTobinParadigm> i do know that
Feb 25 07:49:32 <NewTobinParadigm> it is such a shame that xp users have ruined
the "xp" designation cause to me "xp" as cross platform is so important to me
Feb 25 07:50:32 <athenian200> Yeah, I don't think we should support OpenBSD
under any circumstances. Sorry I've not been paying much attention lately, been
focused on the news a lot.
Feb 25 07:50:55 <Moonchild> it's fine.
Feb 25 07:51:09 <NewTobinParadigm> three core libs that must never be system
imo for us is nspr nss and libpng the rest is negotiable as I see it though the
bar for justification remains high
Feb 25 07:51:28 <NewTobinParadigm> unless you can think of one
Feb 25 07:51:32 <NewTobinParadigm> likely cairo as well
Feb 25 07:51:46 <Moonchild> cairo was fucked over recently too
Feb 25 07:51:52 <NewTobinParadigm> I remember
Feb 25 07:52:12 <NewTobinParadigm> and it will never be solved because of the
way Mozilla has bypassed fucked up code paths
Feb 25 07:52:32 <Moonchild> exactly
Feb 25 07:53:19 <NewTobinParadigm> luckily if freebsd gets their shit together
they should be less anxious about the netscape libs.. cause since we got
nss-gyp we can keep pace with esr at the very least.. they can't arguge with
that and hold water

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