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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f7121420c21d56245181c38b6fcbfc2c; Sat, 24 Feb 2024 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Millard Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3774.400.31\)) Subject: Re: 759a996d610d before AND after an upgrade Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:34:08 -0800 References: <81205332-AEB9-4CEF-B0FB-1D986C6C31EA@yahoo.com> To: Graham Perrin , FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <81205332-AEB9-4CEF-B0FB-1D986C6C31EA@yahoo.com> Message-Id: <51865FAA-9622-488A-BA1E-05700BB5A9DD@yahoo.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3774.400.31) X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.95 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.947]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[yahoo.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr:yahoo.com]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[yahoo.com:s=s2048]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[yahoo.com:dkim]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36647, ipnet:98.137.64.0/20, country:US]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[yahoo.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[yahoo.com:+]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[FreeBSD-pkgbase@freebsd.org]; APPLE_MAILER_COMMON(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[98.137.68.206:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Tj1rw03PYz4bdH On Feb 24, 2024, at 13:47, Mark Millard wrote: > Graham Perrin wrote on > Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2024 14:44:46 UTC : >=20 >> main-n268493-759a996d610d for two boot environments, as shown at=20 >> = . >>=20 >> I can't understand how this (sameness) might occur. Any suggestions? >=20 > pkgbase is still a non-production/early status. You have assumed = something > is (just someimes?) not true. I recently discovered such a bad = assumption > on my part. (More later.) >=20 > For: >=20 > 1500014-d - - 1.81G 2024-02-23 01:15 main-n268493-759a996d610d > 1500014-e - - 1.79G 2024-02-23 13:49 main-n268493-759a996d610d Some module(s) have updates that go in /boot/kernel*/ --and so change in the updated FreeBSD-kernel-generic-*.pkg files-- but no update specifically for the kernel? FreeBSD-src-sys-*.pkg would still have updates related to the module updates if such is possible. > FYI: 759a996d610d is the last commit on 2024-Feb-22 (UTC) >=20 > Thu, 22 Feb 2024 > . . . > git: 759a996d610d - main - LinuxKPI: 802.11: implement a deferred RX = path Bjoern A. Zeeb > (CommitDate: 2024-02-22 22:46:48 +0000) >=20 > Are your shown times UTC? Knowing the time zone might help with > identifying the relationships involved? >=20 >=20 > And then there is my bad assumption (referencing your > material, not my earlier example): >=20 > FreeBSD-src upgraded: 15.snap20240222221139 -> 15.snap20240223095347=20= > . . . > FreeBSD-src-sys upgraded: 15.snap20240222234040 -> = 15.snap20240223095347 >=20 > I had originally assumed that that the FreeBSD-src-sys content > matches the commit that "uname -apKU" and the like report. > This is not the case. >=20 > In the example that I hand analyzed, the FreeBSD-src-sys > expansion had commits from ~10 hours after the commit indicated > in the main-n??????-???????????? that uname reported. >=20 > The likes of "uname -apKU" at least report the commit that kernel > is actually based at. (Or am I making another bad assumption?) > But identifying the source files that do not apply requires also > looking elsewhere so one can later find such text by content in > the FreeBSD-src-sys expansion. >=20 > It is worse for world: I'm not aware of any identified way to > systematically find what commit it is based on. =46rom what I've > seen it seems to not be based on the commit the kernel reports > but is based on some later commit. But the FreeBSD-src > expansion need not be an exact match to that vintage and need > not match the FreeBSD-src-sys vintage. >=20 > (Even if FreeBSD-src was accurate by content, converting that > content back to a commit hash would be messy.) >=20 > Knowing what one has or if a fairly recent change is present > to test is currently a mess for pkgbase. =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com