From nobody Fri Apr 26 02:09:44 2024 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VQblP0V5lz5HJHF for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 02:09:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VQblN5fvXz4RGC for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 02:09:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 43Q29jvL090156; Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:09:51 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ultimatedns.net; s=mx99; t=1714097391; x=1714097991; r=y; bh=Ct3HJKN1mjKqPRuIhqMzMXfvqsbsyaci2JL8VrH0hwY=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=JKG8u1dgXqYtekHi5jl4zwgGPG4f/t7o74O6oy8JP50XMUVNRu+g0xmyj7+PLUU2B WZi1174wXvIuFV38699HAbdTzZzMhBtDchxdRtIswlIMOLRh++PvbzxmzvXqlzV+sz cds3TOSsC7XkjsYfiVWwjktAyVfZeD7xjFJ69OO+SaSI7ryt+PdMRXKlzTeZOciLNl SLeV3EhH+2o7sjA800t6KCjga5FO+196o5lkKxQTbODbOCHcmNZNHermMGNUvrB1Sz SdRvAnZJiB0FXL0CjidzwYsF88GLCRh1OscB83YaItMp+wtnOUbg3vp2TRw2y/5NYa 5+G/JqvGaUKHw== List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:09:44 -0700 From: Chris To: Lexi Winter Cc: pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 15.0 pkgbase, heads up: cron, lpr packages In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d33b6d98d1ab86686aeb75ea6e94c@bsdforge.com> <21a2c14ec1286aa2e8e2e84712db7228@bsdforge.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <02a9263437a5d2fbfa02cca36471bc61@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VQblN5fvXz4RGC On 2024-04-25 17:35, Lexi Winter wrote: > Chris: >> On 2024-04-25 16:33, Lexi Winter wrote: >> > it's not essential: many jails don't need cron, for example. i have >> > several micro (service) jails that only run a single binary and don't >> > need many things that would be considered essential on a normal >> > multi-user system. > >> Indeed. A jail is not a jail is not a jail. There is a myriad of tasks >> and services a jail can provide for. We run some 50+ for our needs. But >> I never mentioned jail in the context of "essential" services. So I'm >> not sure why we're talking about it. :) > > well, you asked why someone would want to remove cron -- 'building a > small jail' is an example of why someone might want to do that. Sure. Fair enough. :) I should have been more concise. > you > could already do that today by removing FreeBSD-utilities (and just > keeping FreeBSD-runtime) but the problem with that is FreeBSD-utilities > includes a lot of other things you might still want. so moving cron to > its own package allows the user to pick and choose what they want to > install with more granularity. > >> I'm puzzled as to the motivation to remove it from $BASE. > > to be clear, this only moves cron from one package (FreeBSD-utilities) > to another (FreeBSD-cron) -- it's not being removed from the base > system. FreeBSD-utilities is already considered a non-essential > package. I see. I guess I'm just not following the "pkg" way of assembling a complete system. I guess I should just continue using make(1) to build system images. Thank you very much, Lexi, for taking the time to clarify. :) I'll try to be less ignorant next time. ;) --Chris