From nobody Fri Apr 26 00:35:38 2024 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VQYfk00TMz5Jsmq for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 00:35:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Received: from fuchsia.eden.le-Fay.ORG (fuchsia.eden.le-fay.org [81.187.47.195]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VQYfj57kDz4KfZ for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 00:35:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lexi@le-fay.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from iris.eden.le-Fay.ORG (iris.eden.le-fay.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::6]) by fuchsia.eden.le-Fay.ORG (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F039AD8; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 00:35:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=le-fay.org; s=fuchsia; t=1714091739; bh=Ep4wr9pfzwN7DmxqqmmodvVB1/ctjXIrwqjR7/ILz5g=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=blCVdELDG3JhHl3R5uDdEwX5ydkw5/U1tKSlzamTNnqWZv5oWg7NcBrpIN3fKkRcC E7nkbzcFOAGVC1pVJWYz9AmTSOWlTChsP8RXFaiWk6YvBw+3zEFtbOEOzCkRAZPScK l/VEhAc+LtTswVmQBAjDXBSGcvuPIL9aq4j2SaRM= Received: from ilythia.eden.le-fay.org (ilythia.eden.le-fay.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:aab5:106:3::10]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by iris.eden.le-Fay.ORG (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8FE6D2C0421; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 01:35:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2024 01:35:38 +0100 From: Lexi Winter To: Chris Cc: pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 15.0 pkgbase, heads up: cron, lpr packages Message-ID: References: <2e3d33b6d98d1ab86686aeb75ea6e94c@bsdforge.com> <21a2c14ec1286aa2e8e2e84712db7228@bsdforge.com> List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="+eMw/3l5mI94Ny8O" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <21a2c14ec1286aa2e8e2e84712db7228@bsdforge.com> X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:20712, ipnet:81.187.0.0/16, country:GB] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VQYfj57kDz4KfZ --+eMw/3l5mI94Ny8O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Chris: > On 2024-04-25 16:33, Lexi Winter wrote: > > it's not essential: many jails don't need cron, for example. i have > > several micro (service) jails that only run a single binary and don't > > need many things that would be considered essential on a normal > > multi-user system. > Indeed. A jail is not a jail is not a jail. There is a myriad of tasks > and services a jail can provide for. We run some 50+ for our needs. But > I never mentioned jail in the context of "essential" services. So I'm > not sure why we're talking about it. :) well, you asked why someone would want to remove cron -- 'building a small jail' is an example of why someone might want to do that. you could already do that today by removing FreeBSD-utilities (and just keeping FreeBSD-runtime) but the problem with that is FreeBSD-utilities includes a lot of other things you might still want. so moving cron to its own package allows the user to pick and choose what they want to install with more granularity. > I'm puzzled as to the motivation to remove it from $BASE. to be clear, this only moves cron from one package (FreeBSD-utilities) to another (FreeBSD-cron) -- it's not being removed from the base system. FreeBSD-utilities is already considered a non-essential package. --+eMw/3l5mI94Ny8O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQGzBAABCAAdFiEEuwt6MaPcv/+Mo+ftDHqbqZ41x5kFAmYq9tcACgkQDHqbqZ41 x5mDhwwAiTNUzAJ5qK9GgnqjSKTTgp2f/Il8VM2I73Blbw1A0Qn3PcSi5Mv/HDjH nabkMM9IdO7B3Ti52zrYCHFexnp7rjKm3J5NGREFEH1IpggQS1RAP4QBpzc6Ui3I giWfnkmxeBWkQUlSgIn1rNH8xNdtTDSdqZlaTakiU+TjKrW/CUsTClvByJUUevVo nZ4PAxQ1j3knwyM9wB3ac9bCRLbOiyMsoJ8E9e8zc/clOcNmWblX8Hhv+GpeF7pV nasFYtus/YHcSFXz73s0y4bTkB5yEVlcogqNyLHcVAkwtuJyOaAWt+q3rwl9FXze zS0Q84HucZUm4ytMIzbqLFWgPrKberl9Q+lNEtmtlVZlltbSWgauQyTzFQ3Qjr85 kBZgrKXPIY8pIP7iKwQCodqhYxBhwhSPkf+96XgvQ6HvRh/xye8LZEaxu45v8vgJ U4HDkYNh2Jy7njBBBVAQJcnR/5f4TQHPV0BEnOEf0pJ/Ly5UvsD9mKerMYaeHXaI d0xBIivl =vl6E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --+eMw/3l5mI94Ny8O--