From nobody Fri Apr 26 00:24:04 2024 X-Original-To: pkgbase@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VQYPV4xh2z5Js0R for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 00:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VQYPV29JFz4K13 for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2024 00:24:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 43Q0O5VS016179; Thu, 25 Apr 2024 17:24:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ultimatedns.net; s=mx99; t=1714091052; x=1714091652; r=y; bh=fuWGHpBumg83+J47L+IALCTLH4LDhvKTkI/JXbLaXnc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=n+Ug6xRp7YH5LcwrZGrgknGYaYJb0iyAzOLmuPiqewHKs7sNhuXfsYvuHZ3dLK2i1 87rX4R051cGeHjniQC8d8wxlUW0JPkYM+9LFwX+JBju7G98qi6Qan5yWTFmm+7d6LU W8aS2o6ymkOXrZuMKWzC86bWIErNCQS53X+dPH25o/rqibFvFUvUwFAsjEQ2tUb2Sb BkoGyWWXRwXqo0EsaM93pF1X6pFUmTAn1Y3LKGLeBS1KHYNV7B5jNJWOAY+LsPNfUG uPPyou58HHZVOj/ie6UvzfZ3+OJNv5l7Ux+dywENH9tOyGi+nMihRCujiSulJj6nsO 60XbtwsNj6gZA== List-Id: Packaging the FreeBSD base system List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkgbase List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkgbase@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2024 17:24:04 -0700 From: Chris To: Lexi Winter Cc: pkgbase@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 15.0 pkgbase, heads up: cron, lpr packages In-Reply-To: References: <2e3d33b6d98d1ab86686aeb75ea6e94c@bsdforge.com> User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: <21a2c14ec1286aa2e8e2e84712db7228@bsdforge.com> X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VQYPV29JFz4K13 On 2024-04-25 16:33, Lexi Winter wrote: > Chris: >> Why? Isn't cron(8) essential? pkg needs it, as do (sys)admins for >> periodic(8)? > >> Why would one want to remove it? > > it's not essential: many jails don't need cron, for example. i have > several micro (service) jails that only run a single binary and don't > need many things that would be considered essential on a normal > multi-user system. Indeed. A jail is not a jail is not a jail. There is a myriad of tasks and services a jail can provide for. We run some 50+ for our needs. But I never mentioned jail in the context of "essential" services. So I'm not sure why we're talking about it. :) When I mentioned pkg(8) as requiring cron(8). I was referring it's need to fetch vuln.xml as part of it's periodic(8) task, in an effort to keep the system free from problematic ports/packages. Other "essential" tasks are also dependent upon cron(8) to keep the system "informed". IMHO cron(8) is essential to maintaining a safe and functioning system. I'm puzzled as to the motivation to remove it from $BASE. Thanks for all your time, and consideration, Lexi. > > fwiw, FreeBSD-periodic is already in its own package, so you can also > remove that if you don't need it. --Chris