From nobody Tue Dec 10 23:30:57 2024 X-Original-To: pkg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Y7FNM1Fvqz5g2ZW for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 23:30:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Y7FNK7434z4kg9 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 23:30:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1733873458; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=hK0hP3a3MIh236AMlaES5vbPwjxlIdH2ttP1tfBhSQY=; b=wGY+oFHENOetgwOSmPW/SXYrJGETWVUHmmodFkpUFGeEQUJb+G80hF5GB7fTNth0zM6OOs tVDQ3bBBhk9cFvSoEkHNGNFDteAabhtDmV/H2p47cwfHcx/hxQeu/4co1yrvSmiMeyIsDA GtemE8lobtw5xOYcjCC+v7c+sVrKTo2pV35sEi/8fIlKkc5CdWuOHAiO/QkuDXgdtWmMxf PJ/y7QVEox8DX0fe7ickRug/pLjtNQ8vynHpuxBBTUfa6P73Y1Xu56YC7paIIhNcmiVFj+ bz2KQtYGoXjQzBltD/9nlHESDf3A0QzsQI6tKIx1PUGl87XnLMRSHK6gKPoncQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1733873458; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=GcGhiQsS3xt5qggi/rHevDlCGg2q8fjTVkLWekKFGQTsAjFsmYV4JPY+HCpcjtF6fPzsOU 14ORDj1oUDmY6tSxUcOxai4I8yIL5XegMKAtShVWBbU5DlJ/anGuxwn4zGuzV2XDhwjuXy 1mw1T/Xu4e7/Y7x55a0iJhhB64I/SRbHefWeIw5vh54onZoXWfwFgjM+YLhaQ5bj23Kze2 8pLvx5QM3zT4mVxpvhlYcApGtA3zbTEEHHW7hhBZTyXCjyCfN11vVCNHGUyq9DJE1hOVhq NGCXyIowqykRagOWUrEHr61xPANGdqC49/mrDvZZGP4g2h3YFDrYF0hcwzsDkA== Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Y7FNK6MfpzkWC for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 23:30:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 4BANUvBK092648 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 23:30:57 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 4BANUvrb092647 for pkg@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2024 23:30:57 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: pkg@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 280607] ports-mgmt/pkg: pkg unlock --all fails Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2024 23:30:57 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Ports & Packages X-Bugzilla-Component: Individual Port(s) X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: linimon@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: New X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: pkg@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: maintainer-feedback? X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Binary package management and package tools discussion List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-pkg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-pkg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D280607 --- Comment #7 from Mark Linimon --- (In reply to p5B2EA84B3 from comment #5) > Having read this: https://people.freebsd.org/~linimon/presentations/prs2008/foil02.html > I'm asking myself if I get/got something wrong here. That was a document that I wrote long ago and presented at a BSDCan to stat= e my views of what we ought to be doing. None of this ever became official poli= cy. > Is that just the nature of our volunteer project? Well, maybe we do not d= eserve better ... ? There is a lot of work going on behind the scenes to try to get consensus on priorities, and what FreeBSD can do better given the existing resources. Clearly, no matter what approach we take, we are never going to be able to completely clear the backlog. With a dozen full-time paid employees, it wo= uld still be a daunting task. But currently, efforts from the newly-created srcmgr group have helped to b= ring the number of Base System PRs closer to steady-state. The Ports & Packages= PRs stay more or less at steady-state -- this is helped by the MAINTAINER conce= pt.=20 Documentation PRs are not quite at steady-state; this is simply due to not enough volunteers. > It's about reading "Assignee: ... (nobody)"=20 I agree that that terminology stinks, and I didn't agree with the decision = to change the wording. However, in all honesty, assigning a PR to a mailing l= ist puts it into the "since everyone is responsible, no one is responsible" cla= ss.=20 And if we admit that, then it's just a matter of semantics. > I'd like to go into statistics on PRs and maintainer fluctuation for visu= alizing facts. The FreeBSD Foundation is putting funding towards visualizing the bug statu= s.=20 I am not working on that particular aspect, so I cannot speak for them as to how close to publishing result they are. In the meantime, for folks who do not mind Walls Of Text, there are ways to reason about the overall statistics. The first is, that if you have a Bugzilla account, you may be able to log in and look at the Dashboard page (top row of links). On the left side of th= at you can see a chart of new and closed bugs per time period. The second is, for patient people, I have documented a large number of quer= ies on the wiki page https://wiki.freebsd.org/Bugzilla/SearchQueries . These queries are mostly about the statistics as of this moment. Very patient pe= ople can also look at https://wiki.freebsd.org/Bugzilla/SearchQueries#The_Bugzilla_.22Custom_Sear= ch.22_Page to learn how to create their own queries. tl;dr: there is more progress on Bugzilla PRs that appears to most people. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug.=