From nobody Tue Feb 14 21:38:30 2023 X-Original-To: freebsd-jobs@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4PGZWN2Jdlz3q2xP for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:45:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) Received: from uucp.dinoex.org (uucp.dinoex.org [IPv6:2a0b:f840::12]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "uucp.dinoex.sub.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4PGZWM3mGzz48Bq for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 21:45:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org designates 2a0b:f840::12 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org; dmarc=none Received: from uucp.dinoex.org (uucp.dinoex.org [IPv6:2a0b:f840:0:0:0:0:0:12]) by uucp.dinoex.org (8.17.1/8.17.1) with ESMTPS id 31ELj53X028369 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:45:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) Received: (from uucp@localhost) by uucp.dinoex.org (8.17.1/8.17.1/Submit) with UUCP id 31ELj5Yw028368; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:45:05 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) Received: from disp.intra.daemon.contact (disp-e.intra.daemon.contact [IPv6:fd00:0:0:0:0:0:0:112]) by admn.intra.daemon.contact (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 31ELegUb028733 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:40:42 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) Received: from disp.intra.daemon.contact (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disp.intra.daemon.contact (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 31ELcUoQ070745 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:38:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) Received: (from pmc@localhost) by disp.intra.daemon.contact (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 31ELcUuA070744; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:38:30 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org) X-Authentication-Warning: disp.intra.daemon.contact: pmc set sender to pmc@citylink.dinoex.sub.org using -f Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:38:30 +0100 From: Peter To: Aryeh Friedman Cc: freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Klara Inc. Is looking for a FreeBSD OS Developer Message-ID: References: List-Id: Jobs offered and sought List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-jobs List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Milter: Spamilter (Reciever: uucp.dinoex.org; Sender-ip: 0:0:2a0b:f840::; Sender-helo: uucp.dinoex.org;) X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.4 (uucp.dinoex.org [IPv6:2a0b:f840:0:0:0:0:0:12]); Tue, 14 Feb 2023 22:45:08 +0100 (CET) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.22 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.92)[-0.919]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-jobs@freebsd.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sub.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; ASN(0.00)[asn:205376, ipnet:2a0b:f840::/32, country:DE]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4PGZWM3mGzz48Bq X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Thu, Feb 09, 2023 at 07:16:32PM -0500, Aryeh Friedman wrote: ! On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 2:45 PM Peter wrote: ! > Concerning job offers, it's quite a crazy topic. Usually in a job ! > you do something you *don't* love to do, and you do it for the money. ! ! Doing "what you love" does not put food on the table and/or roof over ! your head unless it is paid. If it is paid then it is a job. I Well, if You say that You cannot do what You love because then You have to starve, then I would call that a kind of slavery. ! have never seen such (upper) middle class privilege in my life before. Hm, the "middle class"... I can walk a 9-storey shopping-mall for a day and not find a single thing that would be worth to have. The "middle class" are people who are made to spend enormous amounts of money for things that are inherently worthless. They cannot afford the truly precious things, neither are they any longer able to live off the land. They are basically NPC who are needed to keep the money-making machine running. ! But if you want to do it for free and have no other support then ! that "job" please let me do it. Maybe something has changed in how ! economics works. I never got the idea on how economics would work. I have basic common- sense rules, like: you cannot eat more than the food you have grown over the year, neither more than fits your stomach. And: the sunlight that hits the planet over a day is all the energy we have. From there you may consider how we might make it to a Type I civilisation, because that's what will matter in the long run. Economics, however, deal with how to split things apart and slow down mankind's development, in order to make some profit on the cost of somebody else. ! Note this is why pure FOSS (i.e. the "free" part) is designed by large ! orgs for large orgs not small time orgs like my consulting firm or ! Klara. In short, unless you're a Marxist then you have one bizarre ! definition of a "job". I'm not a Marxist, The Marxists are driven by the same greed and fear as the others, and the only faith they have is that they think ripping off the community whould make them any better than people ripping off individuals. cheerio, PMc