From nobody Fri Jan 31 22:37:42 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Yl9m95yJZz5lc8y for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2025 22:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (mailgate.leidinger.net [IPv6:2a00:1828:2000:313::1:5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (prime256v1) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailgate.leidinger.net", Issuer "E5" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Yl9m92jRTz3n2q for ; Fri, 31 Jan 2025 22:38:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1738363121; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=SRfIrPpAGiayWZrQ2pOLbecB/OTaSHfNbTP1uVh2P0M=; b=GDfyQq926qJupH2BH0E2mhTs04YOwojI1gRq9zvbAlYCdJo8IVnd9lf0/cMSwYVgB00846 NTylFOn2S4QCPYc5LQN6vXprcR+Oo5hLepEQfesRSigYUtS6a8CM4CgcDPFZlnezSm80AM sVsEaqFToH2cLZ077e6r27svNe6aoJ2H15CLfSOu/8OuQH8zRuofYp02HlB0Br7zujBwYL 04d198fGgnhFGUQ0XJ1m3Dki1MBc7Y55NKmZTDD3i38PENOUxoMD/6Os1DR+m54D/jTj6/ nTSEgfEmD5KCXI+kJaN59PD6kww7o4K5HEeeTUcMVVh6n0H/iFoPq0OYe7J8jQ== Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2025 23:37:42 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Sulev-Madis Silber Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Provisions to the contribution guidelines for using LLM generated code In-Reply-To: <4416BF41-BE27-40D4-968E-CB2275EB5865@ketas.si.pri.ee> References: <49B92974-E37A-4786-A456-E258D5A1D35E@paige.bio> <4922BB4E-1361-4AE9-A40D-D75E4875033D@freebsd.org> <7F5CCEEE-A8A9-459A-A2C1-9ADC31BC91C6@FreeBSD.org> <1E478400-5DFD-4C45-B466-F29EFD76A29E@paige.bio> <4416BF41-BE27-40D4-968E-CB2275EB5865@ketas.si.pri.ee> Message-ID: Organization: No organization, this is a private message. Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_c7238aa8f47ac3476c769cb81737aba6"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Yl9m92jRTz3n2q X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34240, ipnet:2a00:1828::/32, country:DE] This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --=_c7238aa8f47ac3476c769cb81737aba6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Am 2025-01-31 22:21, schrieb Sulev-Madis Silber: > so unless we get actual agi, we can't use this. and if this is agi, it > might understand gpl vs bsd too. and either obey or not obey it. then > we could treat it like human, either accept or deny the code. tho, one > would wonder, if we actually manage to beat human brain, would the > legal issues in fbsd project be the biggest issue? Be careful about the wishful thinking about AGI... keep in mind that what we have right now is just "glorified pattern matching", just machine learning. This has nothing to do with intelligence (or the lack of it) in terms of what you use this term for with humans. Any LLM or whatever is matching a pattern (your input) against some abstract data pool and spits out a result which matches with this pattern the closest (the actual tech is more complex than that, but in the end it is just "glorified pattern matching"). Impressive, yes, but still, this is not what you talk about if you say some kind of human is intelligent or not. So yes, at some point in time there is probably someone who takes a classification of the license of the code into account for the stuff we call AI, and a human being can act on this (I'm sure some lawyers will make a lot of money until we reach a point where it is easy to handle the licensing part... and then it doesn't end, as there is still the question about patents), but so far humanity has not produced any software which can be called intelligent like a human, or understand something like a human. We are very far from that (one of the very far points is, that we are not really able to define what intelligence is, it's not the number of neurons, and don't compare bio neurons with computer neurons, they use the same words, but one computer neuron is able to do only a fraction of what a bio neuron is able to do). 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