From nobody Tue Sep 10 00:19:46 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X2kqB05QSz5VwCy for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 00:19:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Received: from digitaldaemon.com (digitaldaemon.com [162.217.114.50]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4X2kq90wVJz4QFQ for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 00:19:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jan@digitaldaemon.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=digitaldaemon.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jan@digitaldaemon.com designates 162.217.114.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jan@digitaldaemon.com Received: (qmail 29727 invoked by uid 89); 10 Sep 2024 00:19:46 -0000 Received: from c-69-142-153-99.hsd1.nj.comcast.net (HELO ?10.0.0.22?) (jan@digitaldaemon.com@69.142.153.99) by digitaldaemon.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2024 00:19:46 -0000 Message-ID: <68c1bed4-45ae-4a2b-8061-7c49abac67f7@digitaldaemon.com> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 20:19:46 -0400 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: It's not Rust, it's FreeBSD (and LLVM) To: Rick Macklem , Tomek CEDRO Cc: Alexander Leidinger , Poul-Henning Kamp , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <908e7c45fbcea4634427b8d065bb2f20@Leidinger.net> <202409081302.488D2UvB069580@critter.freebsd.dk> <1aa702e57e63f927b687212820e97f8c@Leidinger.net> Content-Language: en-US From: Jan Knepper In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.10 / 15.00]; SUSPICIOUS_RECIPS(1.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.992]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.67)[-0.667]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.65)[0.653]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[digitaldaemon.com,reject]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:162.217.114.48/28]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.10)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[jan]; ASN(0.00)[asn:36236, ipnet:162.217.112.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com,cedro.info] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X2kq90wVJz4QFQ On 9/9/24 18:12, Rick Macklem wrote: > On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 2:27 PM Tomek CEDRO wrote: >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 11:08 PM Alexander Leidinger >> wrote: >>> Am 2024-09-08 15:02, schrieb Poul-Henning Kamp: >>>> -------- >>>> Alexander Leidinger writes: >>>> >>>> I'm only going to answer two bits from your email: >>>> >>>>>> The source tree became our citadel: "FreeBSD is src". If something >>>>>> was not in src, it was not FreeBSD. >>>>> We are way past that too, FreeBSD is src+ports+docs(+community). >>>> Nope. >>>> >>>> The only reason the Rust advocates need to bring this up is /precisely/ >>>> because that is not the case. >>>> >>>> If it were, they would just have added ports. >>> So you are promoting a Linux-distro style model? > Although I have no idea how many build from sources, I do think being > able to do so is one of the best features of FreeBSD. It is one of the great features. It is well structured. It is well documented. It is relatively easy to accomplish. > I would never want to try and build a Linux distro from sources. > I just built a Linux kernel and it took about 24hrs on the old hardware I have. > (Don't worry. I've only gone over to the "dark side" temporarily;-) Likewise... Once was enough... :-)