From nobody Mon Sep 09 14:04:03 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X2T8v6Dr0z5WTT0 for ; Mon, 09 Sep 2024 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X2T8v5StBz4Qg1; Mon, 9 Sep 2024 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1725890655; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=uLnzGW6nzjcrAi7dsw5Lw6XifXNbxggbt1rRyw8S8Dk=; b=pdJqZ9uQvYsz1WMLjTMCcdsOvseEyjVItZLW/ChRWx8WVBBOTmaFa25SQWwQozvkYW02ie z8wVuE3/gzwc8H93gY5nO+bFLb69hyDnS5vZNM/rPWOTSYdwiuuTjgkj5151gXx1jWatYY MH2T3hfDmlBBc1CRfIKS5b0uOGSqWK2tP0yG88EIaw11I2Kf8TjoQfsN70e4rNd/1UohHx 8kTzUUgpEDFPsZbsjPnZMAM7RmAnfw8//T3qA9wMITk1oOSAPNzE5TOrdor38ERcnBqHRC Vspy8hmoZ+sXCSZzv59knT/SpqQZu7tLTe2Ex5VqWLepwAbyRZJ1451r1eAWrw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1725890655; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=oVGUOpMELMGe8UHcIr15EQuulLMRxfm0aJrpBHdPwES67NT7NGkbv3s+QVvQYuW+xNxyPw pmLI3jIHOv6/WRDDppKlaqlhbMdXlcy80jInPCUG7/l8wR1CIZQXeeLt+k3g6MkCf1WDBm sYzVVIgGEnqy3lKNzqWGe1P+QVhhpi6CGBFlvH0a2iooQKPVtPn2JYp/rxEnYHRrCdtlRZ GVR++AKFmAuMu9XJQvP5yHPhW42dyVSANkZuqvQnblKsk4rhP+pbB81wSXWv4gulJvgC2d KV/KdlYr1dy39S5k8BH8YA84tPIrp7iO49lcbdQe61kmyyqcH/4uY3y6F/gSTA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1725890655; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=uLnzGW6nzjcrAi7dsw5Lw6XifXNbxggbt1rRyw8S8Dk=; b=Q++TQN7gA9msYP0tC+6FxOqcgKnVQndWsmJcwrT1Lt++SQ5tG6KoH8wjap9QKKGd5jGcpl cOc9OPKmLZ1LmRg96U9uF8KNTkrZxRgEy1vlCHp1H4Lp16i03ttzAS7bjjQW7590IWTXGu SJVmKREbOAT6DfpTD45rMo7Ix3SJcpYWdKRMNZgTzg4CCCH809Y1HKN/HUQofpj7B27h1e 5/xc98EcffoBeAFKfstX+t5EaHFq6uZdK+SdA3WB6+ICnFSJ+yWFdxG/mltmifxPGEJ418 9X1k9rUMyzF4APx2D2h3vGf8JowOu1L06rsJam/hTcvzzLTv/GXAvIaaxQqBPA== Received: from smtp.theravensnest.org (smtp.theravensnest.org [45.77.103.195]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: theraven) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4X2T8v4nh0z1BS2; Mon, 9 Sep 2024 14:04:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from theraven@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtpclient.apple (host109-155-136-107.range109-155.btcentralplus.com [109.155.136.107]) by smtp.theravensnest.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 904BF658A; Mon, 09 Sep 2024 15:04:14 +0100 (BST) From: David Chisnall Message-Id: <014DBDFE-CD25-4BAC-9557-3CAC0F231FF3@FreeBSD.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1AE3ED46-081F-4B9D-8797-E058302870CE" List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3776.700.51\)) Subject: Re: It's not Rust, it's FreeBSD (and LLVM) Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 15:04:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2611284.jQUcPV6jne@ravel> Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org To: Olivier Certner References: <202409031532.483FW0If007252@critter.freebsd.dk> <2611284.jQUcPV6jne@ravel> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3776.700.51) --Apple-Mail=_1AE3ED46-081F-4B9D-8797-E058302870CE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 On 9 Sep 2024, at 14:13, Olivier Certner wrote: >=20 > Building customized version of FreeBSD is very useful to fulfill at = least these needs: I would add that Poudriere has *great* support for this. It can create = VM images and a bunch of related things. It can do this from a src tree = *or* a binary release, and can then build and install packages from = ports and add other overlays on top. I wish the release engineering team would adopt it, it=E2=80=99s far = easier for other people to reproduce the flow with Poudriere than with = the release scripts. It=E2=80=99s not perfect, but it=E2=80=99s better than any alternative = I=E2=80=99ve seen (for any OS). David --Apple-Mail=_1AE3ED46-081F-4B9D-8797-E058302870CE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On 9 Sep 2024, = at 14:13, Olivier Certner <olce@FreeBSD.org> = wrote:

Building customized version of FreeBSD is = very useful to fulfill at least these needs:

I would add that Poudriere has = *great* support for this.  It can create VM images and a bunch of = related things.  It can do this from a src tree *or* a binary = release, and can then build and install packages from ports and add = other overlays on top.

I wish the release = engineering team would adopt it, it=E2=80=99s far easier for other = people to reproduce the flow with Poudriere than with the release = scripts.

It=E2=80=99s not perfect, but it=E2=80=99= s better than any alternative I=E2=80=99ve seen (for any = OS).

David

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