From nobody Thu Jun 13 05:42:16 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4W0BBb0hZmz5MQ4f for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 05:42:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@sanren.ac.za) Received: from mail-pf1-x42a.google.com (mail-pf1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::42a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4W0BBZ5Ymnz4N9P for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2024 05:42:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from john@sanren.ac.za) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-pf1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-705c1220a52so620555b3a.1 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:42:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sanren-ac-za.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1718257349; x=1718862149; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=x/abfaaodWfH47QrZKjE3SDz9pfv0bxkdqHwhA5UqNk=; b=pVtd2nGA91v/WKdiG9nSbuPiD4yKkxti7UuIZPuuCoU1gBFx2B7g30KVn42B+3jFS8 Hc4C1NEjUFu/z1ts1keYEcw1wUJTd26lPKL7bl709PVIycCL7uzFmow3QENmIllRcBpq h4TIdBDcqbVTOMsv4J2IT3UW9OG6FmcDzaHU4zYohMtoSvAmrVCEXaHqJaMC+1K8OuGq xImHXWH9L78mEQNIBHZpQRt4vQdnRBKKPTBEMgrmKrCAABwefpUWK8hJ8LpIfHqbYNX8 eLiAr2+7SHOGOLX4ikMFPP3xA0wyEN9ftT81N3O1tY/eS71IB7klfYXzyNMuZ8W3uPS6 fccA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718257349; x=1718862149; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=x/abfaaodWfH47QrZKjE3SDz9pfv0bxkdqHwhA5UqNk=; b=o0Op20FozwJieiT6xqSdAk11ZiEC3djMmTaHohcXNKR0xKVOAmn9Ca06+jBFSYg7mc z0SjQHXTPHhDaKqhcYrmVChxJEm7BxnTH6sfJ4RKfkBJvx1iFHfrOzB2ntMxm6FJvaKu BEZugHiKQWyfGUck49YEjHizkHW72gb/TZQuVxuNYwLECjfYqkA9LwdDuiJJzFXI5sAZ m3hvdvdKi1QyrcEI/qhQvwfhLJcyOQxwR2OAP1w/sLbEzmtm5ComS2DKiF/Sm8QPGmKe PPzl4aM8Xm5DM/w91HpG0v0IyjDcAX6f8jOswl7EUsOYVrbgrXjtAZ6Rff1U1r/ssjEy iHdw== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCWQiv7fg7vYDYlAF9u/zVdAlafDqXra6kq7DMwoORyYW+Q5q5Jui5tuNVl7UCNlQA1kKZRiRHgXOl7gxTRw1TGcehtoE9DKtQzM7jk= X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw/Us3IH+CXvYKHTIjGKSd/kWETrbpS6RBMM8rkUoeqtwMglybR GGkqmN7M9jU1jRbupSjEzOwEeSmYEamm0EnRHpDXtZOT2bvu3l/C42wxtc7KMswT+63ikFJlKN4 6gf7yK29d1UgpLH8lT9n5D0E6Er+va6dwK+Ah4pA6ILcU3vjU X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEjhO0Pl+neQ2DZZW4KBxjDPx59KXt2dHEdVP2Z2/+BeLvdiBaf+H7NvZ17E6mWVWJe5UVZoHZoYH0DVShWaP8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a20:4305:b0:1b7:ffb9:fb51 with SMTP id adf61e73a8af0-1b8a9c68910mr4152546637.43.1718257348739; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:42:28 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0.2.0-final-1718212027.814-0x75c1f0@qmda.emu.st> <26eaa45fec5b95b6a00948d45aaea927@bsdforge.com> <20240612211337.GZ2052@memo2.memo.frmug.org> In-Reply-To: From: John Hay Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 07:42:16 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Removing "CMOS clock set to UTC" question To: Ed Maste Cc: Bertrand Petit , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e7a0ad061abef600" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4W0BBZ5Ymnz4N9P --000000000000e7a0ad061abef600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 01:42, Ed Maste wrote: > > This is not the point of the question though -- once we have a > timezone selected and the answer to the UTC question the installer > prompts for the user to set the time; it doesn't really matter what it > was before.. Despite being exactly what the question asks, it isn't > really important whether the CMOS clock is currently set to UTC or > local time. What the installer needs to know is whether the user wants > the real-time CMOS clock to contain UTC or local time. > > What about tying it to the user's choice if the whole disk should be used for FreeBSD? If it is the only OS, use UTC, else localtime. If the option / question should stay, it could be made clearer and made to not sound like it is final and could not be changed later. John --000000000000e7a0ad061abef600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 at 01:42, Ed Mast= e <emaste@freebsd.org> wrot= e:

This is not the point of the question though -- once we have a
timezone selected and the answer to the UTC question the installer
prompts for the user to set the time; it doesn't really matter what it<= br> was before.. Despite being exactly what the question asks, it isn't
really important whether the CMOS clock is currently set to UTC or
local time. What the installer needs to know is whether the user wants
the real-time CMOS clock to contain UTC or local time.


What about tying it to the user's = choice if the whole disk should be used for FreeBSD? If it is the only OS, = use UTC, else localtime.

If the option / question = should stay, it could be made clearer and made to not sound like it is fina= l and could not be changed later.

John
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