From nobody Wed Jun 12 22:27:00 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4W00XJ0L6yz5NZdZ for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:27:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steffen@sdaoden.eu) Received: from sdaoden.eu (sdaoden.eu [217.144.132.164]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4W00XH3gMxz4TvW for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 22:27:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steffen@sdaoden.eu) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sdaoden.eu; s=citron; t=1718231222; x=1718897888; h=date:author:from:to:cc:subject: message-id:in-reply-to:references:openpgp:blahblahblah:mime-version: content-type:content-transfer-encoding:author:from:subject:date:to:cc: resent-author:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender:resent-to:resent-cc: resent-reply-to:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version: content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:content-id: content-description:message-id:mail-followup-to:openpgp:blahblahblah; bh=1OAQr82GdP4qLg+uE/s0buOO3fQPbMpyO6nW9gNgHrc=; b=VLUsjEYY2yGXcrqjYDxSovJ6+iJ4rHpDTy66Ivq5eI2hJmCuqi/gKGuTA80nX1nWRLMRaFwB Q9He6eqBZO5m5dmrA7AWcRFTyDZrFM42aHuI1nasCxlw+EUB8VI0uwWQ5hvl3Ldzo/iLWwXv1j X8bFiR5NtxIrpMMvPfFP8LApCOWE4z8eWfGpQJugPk+8NhFCEqe6cxoZZ1PXxBK14Z6kXRzH+/ hb90BPmSymHiUkfkSxX34nfxvPFDDNj0cI1Vr/8Lkoaqh7gwZ30pruM15+Cdz4lDNZGLJuFx/b b9ALx3sGqhFbhP9Vk1x0H788sV2TH88c0/gWOefKaH90vPMw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=ed25519-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sdaoden.eu; s=orange; t=1718231222; x=1718897888; h=date:author:from:to:cc:subject: message-id:in-reply-to:references:openpgp:blahblahblah:mime-version: content-type:content-transfer-encoding:author:from:subject:date:to:cc: resent-author:resent-date:resent-from:resent-sender:resent-to:resent-cc: resent-reply-to:resent-message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version: content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:content-id: content-description:message-id:mail-followup-to:openpgp:blahblahblah; bh=1OAQr82GdP4qLg+uE/s0buOO3fQPbMpyO6nW9gNgHrc=; b=dDD5PtDm+PXgwmsW7o+fP84tGyQz69U1i5Xck745vm6+U68/xS3eiYM9p3MZ39Zqj/kWg1wp Y/PMCgT+3KGNCg== Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 00:27:00 +0200 Author: Steffen Nurpmeso From: Steffen Nurpmeso To: FreeBSD Hackers Cc: Chris , Aryeh Friedman , Mark Delany Subject: Re: Removing "CMOS clock set to UTC" question Message-ID: <20240612222700.emGJ-jBv@steffen%sdaoden.eu> In-Reply-To: <9c225c520e12b279ac6d19df7ebeec9f@bsdforge.com> References: <0.2.0-final-1718212027.814-0x75c1f0@qmda.emu.st> <26eaa45fec5b95b6a00948d45aaea927@bsdforge.com> <9c225c520e12b279ac6d19df7ebeec9f@bsdforge.com> User-Agent: s-nail v14.9.24-621-g0d1e55f367 OpenPGP: id=EE19E1C1F2F7054F8D3954D8308964B51883A0DD; url=https://ftp.sdaoden.eu/steffen.asc; preference=signencrypt BlahBlahBlah: Any stupid boy can crush a beetle. But all the professors in the world can make no bugs. List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15987, ipnet:217.144.128.0/20, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4W00XH3gMxz4TvW Chris wrote in <9c225c520e12b279ac6d19df7ebeec9f@bsdforge.com>: |On 2024-06-12 13:44, Aryeh Friedman wrote: |> On Wed, Jun 12, 2024 at 3:08=E2=80=AFPM Chris = wrote: |>> On 2024-06-12 10:07, Mark Delany wrote: |>>> On 12Jun24, Ed Maste apparently wrote: |>>>> Our installer asks (via tzsetup): |>>>> |>>>>> Is this machine's CMOS clock set to UTC? If it is set to local tim= e, |>>>>> or you don't know, please choose NO here! ... ..and wouldn't it be possible to show the actual computer time, ie, interpreted / shown as UTC? I also feel unsure each and every time. (UTC feels not natural to me, .. but actually results in the desired behaviour.) --steffen | |Der Kragenbaer, The moon bear, |der holt sich munter he cheerfully and one by one |einen nach dem anderen runter wa.ks himself off |(By Robert Gernhardt)