From nobody Wed Jun 12 16:22:32 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VzrRq44H6z5N1YT for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 16:22:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-f54.google.com (mail-io1-f54.google.com [209.85.166.54]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VzrRp4HTZz4drD for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 16:22:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from carpeddiem@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM" header.from=freebsd.org (policy=none); spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of carpeddiem@gmail.com designates 209.85.166.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=carpeddiem@gmail.com Received: by mail-io1-f54.google.com with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-7e25bf84b58so280753939f.0 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 09:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1718209364; x=1718814164; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=DgAa3QWmPHCuz9VSaq6cbulo86JWfExmIBotpHA6fvQ=; b=Jx5kMfo1EctZ728tCf0isfeDs6Ga7Y9m1nuDh5raUR1vs7QmXR+VTRSZtUDNlPQIJ8 XRqhHGsXfRp9uiTcmXAFjBE8S4Mvjr2ie7i3Vn5rBDKr2tSHaSnP6nG3pYpZEWrTYhfq b6y39EFh2TJVK1wk9CKDhfTEeKj7pNUMeoabb3SIiPgsf+gYuY6KbNssKMuTpe6/SlRk gkAs7wfhCgKsYwq/VGWVk6Q/kMIRUk9EqV7P/iUzIeB/SNRRreVEISnIslJUWGLOKJy7 m65M0WmoJlSjmUZOe0rbvBDQDrRBS0uZgro5W6RWfTCiEM8o/KXQFY3OpKu+KfX68KUp CYsg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw21Cs/3p51MNRse6dGV3w0syijswNqSgQJDA1c7eE5UI7iyeS1 5yHyExPftmaPQ/Kjqmvo1FDYeqttoKKHJsVYZ7Xxt+AJW3jgCsrP80JW7+BpIQD6J2DaSBw3Ufm jFIMo9uxHAZPkxHOiHEecBJ3UX5v9QKp+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGqShjkOb4j3XTeW6GzBOl/U7argONkhn5Uk3tNPrZPrLk5sBWkbeIqS4kVgDV/zcRGehWxZ5zulF8jbLpje1w= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6602:6424:b0:7eb:7089:dfdd with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-7ebcd15189emr291351639f.15.1718209364310; Wed, 12 Jun 2024 09:22:44 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ed Maste Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2024 12:22:32 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Removing "CMOS clock set to UTC" question To: FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.90 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:209.85.128.0/17]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[freebsd.org : SPF not aligned (relaxed), No valid DKIM,none]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[carpeddiem]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[emaste@freebsd.org,carpeddiem@gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[209.85.166.54:from]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[209.85.166.54:from] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VzrRp4HTZz4drD Our installer asks (via tzsetup): > Is this machine's CMOS clock set to UTC? If it is set to local time, > or you don't know, please choose NO here! I've heard many reports of new users being confused by this question when installing FreeBSD for the first time. I don't think it provides much value; it is a minor convenience for dual-booting with Windows but imposes a cost on everyone installing FreeBSD. It is trivial to configure the system to use local time in the system's real-time clock by creating /etc/wall_cmos_clock. Other operating systems do not ask, they just default to local time (Windows) or UTC (everyone else). I've proposed removing the question from bsdinstall in https://reviews.freebsd.org/D45569.