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Mon, 15 Jan 2024 11:59:19 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.9.0-alpha0-1374-gc37f3abe3d-fm-20240102.001-gc37f3abe List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <43875796-b619-47c4-874f-39090416b2ff@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <41A815DF-8F94-4B00-AEDF-D5E7456A0914@yahoo.com> References: <41A815DF-8F94-4B00-AEDF-D5E7456A0914@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2024 11:58:58 -0500 From: "Dan Langille" To: "Mark Millard" , "Philip Paeps" , "clusteradm@freebsd.org" Cc: "FreeBSD Hackers" Subject: Re: list of valid ABI combinations Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.19 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[langille.org,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:66.111.4.25]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[langille.org:s=fm3,messagingengine.com:s=fm3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[66.111.4.25:from]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(-0.10)[66.111.4.25:from]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; XM_UA_NO_VERSION(0.01)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[yahoo.com,freebsd.org,FreeBSD.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[langille.org:+,messagingengine.com:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[dan]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19151, ipnet:66.111.4.0/24, country:US]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[messagingengine.com:dkim] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4TDJJn2S6bz44C2 On Mon, Jan 8, 2024, at 3:00 AM, Mark Millard wrote: > On Jan 1, 2024, at 21:45, Philip Paeps wrote: > >> On 2024-01-02 12:38:47 (+0800), Mark Millard wrote: >>> [FYI: My internet access is limited to a cellphone for some number o= f days.] > > I'm back to having my normal internet access. > >>>> On Jan 1, 2024, at 19:26, Philip Paeps wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> =EF=BB=BFOn 2023-12-07 23:03:33 (+0800), Mark Millard wrote: >>>>> . . . >>>>>=20 >>>>> There might be issues at times with https://pkg.freebsd.org/index.= html not >>>>> being in sync. As far as I can tell, that page is manually maintai= ned. >>>>=20 >>>> clusteradm updates that page to match what we're actually distribut= ing. If it doesn't reflect reality, that's a bug, and we'd like to know= please. :-) >>>=20 >>> Does that include the =E2=80=9Conly ??? Is updated=E2=80=9D sorts of= notes? >>=20 >> Yes. Please let clusteradm know if the notes don't appear to reflect= reality. >>=20 >> clusteradm maintains the pkgsync infrastructure, which includes the i= ndex page on the mirrors. pkgmgr is responsible for scheduling the buil= ds. (And ports committers are responsible for making sure packages are = even buildable). >>=20 >>> For example, FreeBSD:13:armv6 Latest dates back to 2021-Jan-25 but t= here is no note about quarterly only. Various FreeBSD:15:* do not have n= otes about Latest only, despite having no quarterly at all. Some other c= ases have notable but shorter differences in the Latest vs. Quarterly ti= me frames, suggesting only one is being updated but no fixed difference = is definitive for that status. >>=20 >> The pkgsync infrastructure doesn't really care how often packages are= updated. If memory serves, we first added a "quarterly only" note when= the thunderxX generation of aarch64 builders broke with distressing reg= ularity. The ampereX builders are much more reliable. >>=20 >> I think the current situation for armv6 is "updated irregularly". Po= werPC is in the same boat as aarch64 in the ThunderX era: when the hardw= are works, packages are updated. >>=20 >> . . . >> Philip >>=20 >> --=20 >> Philip Paeps >> Senior Reality Engineer >> Alternative Enterprises > > Using https://dev.freshports.org/ports-mgmt/pkg looking for > versions involved that are prior to 1.20.* at this point > (or being "-") but having also a 1.20.* involved (or both > being "-"), hovering in order to see dates when available > . . > > > Not-reported / misreported on https://pkg.freebsd.org/ : > > FreeBSD:13:armv6 latest 1.16.2 (2021-01-25) vs. quarterly 1.19.2 (2023= -09-05) > So only quarterly is updated (and not regularly?). > > FreeBSD:14:armv6 latest 1.19.0 (2023-01-15) vs. quarterly - > So only latest is/was updated (and not regularly). > > FreeBSD:14:powerpc64 latest - vs. quarterly - > So neither latest nor quarterly is updated. > > FreeBSD:15:aarch64 latest 1.20.9 (2023-11-25) vs. quarterly - > So only latest is updated. > > FreeBSD:15:amd64 latest 1.20.9 (2023-11-25) vs. quarterly - > So only latest is updated. > > FreeBSD:15:armv7 latest 1.20.9 (2023-11-25) vs. quarterly - > So only latest is updated. > > FreeBSD:15:powerpc latest - vs. quarterly - > So neither latest nor quarterly is updated. > > FreeBSD:15:powerpc64 latest - vs. quarterly - > So neither latest nor quarterly is updated. > > FreeBSD:15:powerpc64le latest 1.20.9 (2023-11-25) vs. quarterly - > So only latest is updated. Mark: My reading of your email saying the above items are something for = clusteradm to consider? As opposed to FreshPorts needs to do something. --=20 Dan Langille dan@langille.org