Re: The Case for Rust (in the base system)

On Mon, Aug 5, 2024, 4:29 PM Tomoaki AOKI <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp> wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Aug 2024 15:32:17 -0600
> Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Aug 5, 2024 at 3:27 PM Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
> wrote:
> >
> > > --------
> > > Steffen Nurpmeso writes:
> > > > Cy Schubert wrote in
> > > >  <704D020F-78A4-4926-AE3C-41F7FD619A89@cschubert.com>:
> > > >  |On July 31, 2024 10:49:52 AM PDT, Bakul Shah <bakul@iitbombay.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > >  |>All this talk won't lead to anything much so a suggestion to
> > > >  ..
> > > >  |Sorry for being late to the party. Last day of vacation; picking
> up \
> > > >  |phone reading this thread.
> > > >  |
> > > >  |Like much in this business (been doing this stuff for about 50
> years \
> > > >  |now) there is a cohort unwilling to roll up their sleeves and put
> some
> > > \
> > > >  |skin in the game, expecting others already with long todo lists to
> \
> > > >
> > > > Most user space tools could be written in lua.
> > >
> > > That /exact/ same argument was made for Perl :-)
> > >
> >
> > Lua's been in the base since I imported it for the boot loader, though...
> >
> > Warner
>
> And Forth was introduced for loader prior to lua and still not
> deleted. :-)
> I think it would be removed sometime in the future once no one
> complains about loader.lua.
>

The only remaining legitimate complaint I've heard against lua loader is
its size in BIOS land. It's about 50ish k too big still there when bearssl
and veriexec are on given lua's stack usage.

But we never wrote other system utils in forth (bearssl parsing
notwithstanding) nor had a critical mass of people wanting to do that.

Warner

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> Tomoaki AOKI    <junchoon@dec.sakura.ne.jp>
>