From nobody Sun Aug 04 18:36:01 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4WcSvM43QCz5SpNX for ; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 18:36:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Received: from mail-vk1-f171.google.com (mail-vk1-f171.google.com [209.85.221.171]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4WcSvL6vLVz4NYt for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2024 18:36:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from asomers@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-vk1-f171.google.com with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4f6abcf0567so3799586e0c.0 for ; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1722796573; x=1723401373; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=5tJ37ZWvUqw7C8wcbhYZJawGFEdHnW5gF1KhkXgYBVw=; b=QUGb+/YuwJgOzKBUnRunt/S+BCUZsnAWEX+ofJ3SeaixJUAoKssKHS9BXIepgx3JbV O2X8PyMe5f7fIRcQbepT2xmlXuo3/DYOM5BXtejaW3QDWa2kv16QsbIFPDs8P1o/XQ2J lT0Vi9ftKcJHy7J4gT4uQ/SfJ+uAyjLN9fd0Fb2IGuS7PkP2b/32JOldyOEJWHu6o7Cm nR9fWTciwK+lH7Yf43esDDVHYUA9JAhyCE+MM3velNXYH64B3kkypbYe0ge/v1iLCHPM QkaNYcwPM5ppSMFFNDSzHGoDbTCHzUZSStmQnEa1W/ZKNOqocB9dkixm7XdLAOBNZZ8O eMqw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yz0F8PTgKL9qnsI4wQBRqSYMdmkCT3zlvRkdCpAVUiBc80YG8fC 97Er1VFwXKFUYEzwuTmXBtQTw3yeQ05upgR8gd+triLWmtJYhg1yUMa0a0SFWUW3TYBiDbIrmZv kIkG+zhuZnPjIvcbo60AGgJ0jZPzHcw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHbd/zsg7n0hrIYXs8OCMsZdoHFnnP6BBnbgGN5hTK8IEqAAjYL1gvfLQsZIMyotBwMhUPmgk+vOtG4nSIbyUk= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6122:4581:b0:4f5:23e4:b7c with SMTP id 71dfb90a1353d-4f89fe608fbmr11441169e0c.0.1722796573632; Sun, 04 Aug 2024 11:36:13 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202408041800.474I0HUM050473@critter.freebsd.dk> <202408041820.474IKjVV050602@critter.freebsd.dk> In-Reply-To: <202408041820.474IKjVV050602@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Alan Somers Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2024 12:36:01 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: A Demo of rust-in-base To: Poul-Henning Kamp Cc: FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4WcSvL6vLVz4NYt On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 12:20=E2=80=AFPM Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > -------- > Alan Somers writes: > > On Sun, Aug 4, 2024 at 12:00=3DE2=3D80=3DAFPM Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: > > > If it weren't for my experience with CTL, I would say no. > > > But CTL stuff _cannot_ exist in the ports tree, since the ioctl interfa= ce is unstable. > > Similarly, stuff like the fusefs test suite can't exist in the ports tr= ee, either. > > It needs to be updated in lock-step with even minor kernel changes. > > How is that different from any other dependency management in ports ? Because those two components need to be updated in lock-step with potentially any git commit to the base system. Not just official releases, even minor ones.