From nobody Tue May 17 16:21:52 2022 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F30301B395C3 for ; Tue, 17 May 2022 16:22:12 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12e.google.com (mail-il1-x12e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12e]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4L2hGW4rzzz3Fyq for ; Tue, 17 May 2022 16:22:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12e.google.com with SMTP id s12so10337121iln.11 for ; Tue, 17 May 2022 09:22:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hJt02XTQPweks5zyssyFQGU6pst38EDYnc3EfU2laVU=; b=XO4StrjlyQEDET4D0z9UlTQ0JVEsPa0Af5fKyG0mr2dJFzKozi/rNJrcoHKIBFrUKV PnC5g/yx7MxSg844ZLsZcwCO8LWoNREC+MnxKnOYZfTBuproJfMyRcFUR/kv24+C9TTO 4leJWKVY9DuyK/BGAsm5F3Yzoc4fygrShzNriGou43TjwEHogNAul5udNiPJ16rRMDNL 499krGXdz3mz8Zs1VfADKyz0JM4Hh5TonSGbQ9rxGWI5s1+u8JxFQNX+TWFG99xo5o7k TUrfhI9LgQF/eW5bRnq6cc3gc4sqpN+K4Bvd878DGhtuOTXvVxhmVmeDexCrKG2UfnnV UOBQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hJt02XTQPweks5zyssyFQGU6pst38EDYnc3EfU2laVU=; b=GiWDztuXHViKQ98qqyEkHPy7nFyWcbkKyKz/kpw3+/7UWj9pzQxIjYFdkegPqKRgtV +QRAP9pOOdb+bwrfNprJcbIpl15tdgpz1hO/MVUGD3GlTteNymc1K6llgkHzafWTy1fI ibMJ+PTLgauxu/YAAPhjqFJTehBwh6dNg07ufq1iQ7/m3dJoK+qwgjRq0Ecl4Iz7fmG8 MpanJJdTe5DVEln49MedMeAAezJTpaPNYZPucT7AdCeC4R11UjAEL2xQNCRvPFp1lm/W jX8HDCHxdSLukBvRPI/VZoTF+DiRkg4y6qDLI2SfrZQfjWlrhaQQaIunBaa2n34L+qiL T6aw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531AjvMD2ZukU5AIFE/NF1L201IYFPqm7jvb1wHWTAU6O7ryt4OV bc72c+y0+lE7oCKYnI1JdYbB4/DIUOhhdFhj0aQHfbogCKcr7w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy7LKzDKTQ7kBhtqN09rctii+kyKBzfy9I/7u7rGdOOQBb2jzr7wHszKEYdQNYVxMt9mbl8+SXJhk/HDQjJP4s= X-Received: by 2002:a92:ca07:0:b0:2cf:95c4:9e9d with SMTP id j7-20020a92ca07000000b002cf95c49e9dmr12310699ils.99.1652804524976; Tue, 17 May 2022 09:22:04 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Michael Schuster Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 18:21:52 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Shy scroll bars To: Chris Cc: George Mitchell , FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000982f8a05df378a2a" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4L2hGW4rzzz3Fyq X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=XO4Strjl; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12e as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.55 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROMTLD(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.55)[-0.552]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20210112]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12e:from]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-hackers]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N --000000000000982f8a05df378a2a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, May 17, 2022, 18:15 Chris wrote: > On 2022-05-17 08:27, George Mitchell wrote: > > Among the "features" that have appeared in Firefox 100 is my least > > favorite from Linux's so-called Unity interface: in the name of > > maximizing non-wasted screen space, scroll bars shrink to maybe two > > or three pixels in width whenever the cursor is not in their vicinity. > > Sure, this does give a tiny bit more space to other uses, but it means > > you can't see at a glance where you have scrolled to in a large image > > or document. (At least, it's hard for my aged eyes.) Is there some > > way to persuade Firefox not to do this? Thanks for your attention. > > -- George > It's not just FF. The Gnome 3+ DE's do the same thing. Makes everything > slower and harder to accomplish. I'm only answering here, as I looked > (unsuccessfully) for a solution on the Gnome DE. I'm repeating what I sent OP in private: look for a way to disable client side decorations - what you're reporting sounds a lot like that... idea. HTH, let us know how you fare. Michael --000000000000982f8a05df378a2a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, = May 17, 2022, 18:15 Chris <bsd= -lists@bsdforge.com> wrote:
= On 2022-05-17 08:27, George Mitchell wrote:
> Among the "features" that have appeared in Firefox 100 is my= least
> favorite from Linux's so-called Unity interface: in the name of > maximizing non-wasted screen space, scroll bars shrink to maybe two > or three pixels in width whenever the cursor is not in their vicinity.=
> Sure, this does give a tiny bit more space to other uses, but it means=
> you can't see at a glance where you have scrolled to in a large im= age
> or document.=C2=A0 (At least, it's hard for my aged eyes.)=C2=A0 I= s there some
> way to persuade Firefox not to do this?=C2=A0 Thanks for your attentio= n.
> -- George
It's not just FF. The Gnome 3+ DE's do the same thing. Makes everyt= hing
slower and harder to accomplish. I'm only answering here, as I looked (unsuccessfully) for a solution on the Gnome DE.

I'm repeating what I sent O= P in private: look for a way to disable client side decorations - what you&= #39;re reporting sounds a lot like that... idea.=C2=A0

HTH, let us know how you fare.=C2=A0
Michael=C2=A0

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