Re: [RFC] patch's default backup behavior
- In reply to: David Chisnall : "Re: [RFC] patch's default backup behavior"
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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:44:52 UTC
Thank you David. Well said! M > On 12 Apr 2022, at 17:36, David Chisnall <theraven@FreeBSD.org> wrote: > > On 11/04/2022 17:58, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: >> Personally, if YOU like the behavior of gnu patch, by all means, >> please USE gnu patch. Please do NOT make bsd patch behave in >> a different manner simply because you personally like that >> other behavior. >> If you want the stuff to look like Linux/GNU by all means, >> go RUN linux/gnu!!!! > > There are two opinions that as almost invariably wrong, in any context: > > - Popular thing X does Y, therefore Y is good. > - Popular thing X does Y, therefore Y is bad. > > This thread started with 'popular thing X does Y, we do Z, let's evaluate which is better'. Reducing that to 'popular thing X does Y, therefore we should do Z, if you want Y then you should run X' is unhelpful. It is also how we end up in a situation where everyone runs X and we sit around wondering where all of our users and contributors went. > > We should neither adopt or discard a particular behaviour in patch on the basis that GNU patch does it. We should use the fact that GNU patch does it to gather data on whether it's a desirable behaviour. We should adopt their good ideas and avoid their bad ideas. > > That is precisely the process that Kyle is trying to drive and the FreeBSD system will be better as a result of his work. Personally, I hate having .rej and .orig files scattered over my filesystem as a result of patch failing and I end up having to write a `find` command to delete them all. Does that mean that I want to give up kqueue, capsicum, out-of-the-box ZFS, a sane /dev/dsp, jails, clang as the system compiler, a `tar` that knows that `x` means 'extract the thing, you don't need me to duplicate the information in the file header to know what it is', and so on and run GNU/Linux? No. > > I take Joerg's point that GNU patch *sometimes* creating them makes tooling difficult. I would be quite happy with a solution that they are created unconditionally with a flag to disable creating them (I would then `alias patch="patch --do-not-leave-stuff-on-my-filesystem"` in my `.profile` and forget about it for interactive use) or that they are never created with a flag to enable creating them, which I would never pass except when working with bits of infrastructure that explicitly want the .orig files. > > David > -- Mark R V Murray