From nobody Sat Nov 27 15:51:40 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC8718ABA50 for ; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 15:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) Received: from mx.blih.net (mail.blih.net [212.83.155.74]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx.blih.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4J1bhN4Bt1z4mmj; Sat, 27 Nov 2021 15:51:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from manu@bidouilliste.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bidouilliste.com; s=mx; t=1638028301; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=Lry63RqYWzxqZ8oqZldq32j4XBKDVy1hKP5tYl74ii0=; b=lXyyIo1GPIMk86CyaGrBWhCPROXr8yQSKCTLgMQIaoey9h7tdvIXmWeZ11JO06xHOwwZtw xPxhq7g7LJfvmpHuKVDzc/myMpsxkGwEYVQrEprtdCf+GJUtQVeWQIEdYnw39Ad8k6pagf 4PPw2TwfgZ1YKDK3Yl3035RWu9ohDhA= Received: from amy (lfbn-idf2-1-1163-183.w90-92.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.92.222.183]) by mx.blih.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 86c70f32 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Sat, 27 Nov 2021 15:51:41 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 16:51:40 +0100 From: Emmanuel Vadot To: Stefan Blachmann Cc: Ed Maste , FreeBSD Hackers Subject: Re: Reasons for keeping sc(4) and libvgl ? Message-Id: <20211127165140.7dd38b9448f8653e557829e4@bidouilliste.com> In-Reply-To: References: <20211126160454.3eb827365a02103169ab9adc@bidouilliste.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd14.0) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4J1bhN4Bt1z4mmj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 20:06:13 +0100 Stefan Blachmann wrote: > I encountered some other bugs in vt while I used it. > > Aside of the computers I am using for testing of my installer, I use > vt only in the time from installation of computers to when I get time > to configure/build a new kernel to remove vesa (and vt because it > pulls in vesa,ko) from the kernel to make suspend/resume work. So I > feel usually in some hurry when I want to get a system up and > running.. > > And then I am not in the mood to bother spending time making vt bug reports. > Maybe a reason that many of these bugs are not reported is that I love > to use mouse mark/paste in the console, and most of the bugs are > related to this. No idea how common it is to use mice in console mode; > if it is not common this might be why these bugs are apparently > under-reported. If you don't report the bugs don't expect them to be fixed ... > Almost all my computers still have CSM support, so I use that, as I do > not use Microsoft OSes. > > When time comes and I have to buy computers that do no longer support > CSM, I'll look into the sc source to add a VGA BIOS interrupt call to > change from UEFI graphics to text mode at initialization time. > This should be sufficient to support sc on UEFI machines. > Actually I do not understand why this has not yet been done. Because it's not possible ? > Do you think such a patch to make sc work on UEFI systems would be > accepted into FreeBSD? > > > On 11/26/21, Ed Maste wrote: > > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 10:45, Stefan Blachmann > > wrote: > >> > >> - vt is so horridly buggy that it is no fun to use it at all if one is > >> accustomed to well-working, bugfree sc(4). Just one example: > >> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=211922 > > > > This issue is waiting on feedback since 2021-09-25. There is one issue > > that's still reproducible when I last tested, but "horridly buggy" is > > quite a stretch. > > > -- Emmanuel Vadot