Re: Retiring WITHOUT_CXX
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Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 19:06:42 UTC
On Fri, 26 Nov 2021, Ed Maste wrote: > On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 at 04:09, Rodney W. Grimes > <freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> wrote: >> >> So is the feature model of FreeBSD becoming, oh it gets broken >> cause it is not regularly tested, so lets remove that feature. > > I don't agree with that. We have a large and growing CI infrastructure > to regularly test functionality and are continually adding to it over > time. But it's important to test and maintain what is actually used > and is useful. Disabling C++ support made sense when obrien@ added the > original knob in 2000, but it makes less sense today when parts of > FreeBSD are written in C++. I used to disable it in my images but started to need devd and that is really the only reason its there currently #WITHOUT_CXX= # devd needs it I used to have a conversation with Warner a while ago about it and the conclusion was the bits of C++ could be reimplemented in C if needed but obviously no one ever got to that. Maybe it would be good to list what it actually stops building. - devd / libdevdctl - a specific about libproc - dtc - atf / kyua - zfsd - users (that's a wow but okay); can't remember when I last typed that - "toolchain" but that's a dead end for tiny images anyway Ignoreing lib*.a it's still going to save 800-900k on libraries which is a lot of dead weight if you don't need it and removing the knob means one has to do it in post-processing on ones own so re-implementing the wheel... Even on 40MB images that is still more than 2% and I wish I could save those every time. Finding a 2% performance improvement for the kernel one wouldn't "waste" so easily. Here's an example of what happens over time (compressed!) just to give you an idea: 5.3M Dec 29 2007 base7-radiata-200712290220.gz 11M Aug 10 2020 base13-radiata-r364080.gz There's gazillions of things I'd rather remove or combine and things which never made sense to me to be MK_* src.conf knobs really but the explosion of options is elsewhere but not on CXX which never made more sense than it did today. my 2cts /bz -- Bjoern A. Zeeb r15:7