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I think the servers changed the behavior and = started not just filtering the spam messages but also bouncing them = back. It happens the information in the header of those messages are all = fake and the actual messages end in the wrong mail box. I hope someone = can fix the problem. On my side, everything is up to date and I'd no = need to change any configuration recently. >>>=20 >>> TIA, >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> rollingbits =E2=80=94 =F0=9F=93=A7 rollingbits@icloud.com = =F0=9F=93=A7 rollingbits@gmail.com = =F0=9F=93=A7 rollingbits@yahoo.com = =F0=9F=93=A7 rollingbits@terra.com.br = =F0=9F=93=A7 rollingbits@globo.com = >>=20 >>=20 >> Not yet apparent at = = , but Kurt Jaeger wrote: >>=20 >>>> postmaster@ is aware of the problem, we do not yet have a clear-cut = solution and we're investigating. >>=20 >> For me, the greater problem is that bookmarked messages are no longer = found. For example: >>=20 >> = >> = >=20 > Thanks for reporting this. We definitely intend to keep old links to = mailing list archives working. I'll try to figure out why this broke. >=20 > Philip [also postmaster@] As an example of the known problems: Bapt reported in: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-bugs/2021-May/101997.html that: QUOTE After analysis, freebsd-bugs mailing list archives have been edited = manually multiple times in the last 18 years, making it impossible to regenerates = in a reliable manner archive with compatible URL. This happenned too often to be able to be easily fixed. END QUOTE It is more than bookmarks that do not find anything. It is also URL's that now find a different message than it used to. The above was in response to my reporting an example of such. My example that I used to report the issue was for freebsd-arm, not freebsd-bugs. I'm not sure if the "freebsd-bugs" in the quote was a typo or what. In my example the numbering had shifted by 2: 020854 -> 020856 =3D=3D=3D Mark Millard marklmi at yahoo.com ( dsl-only.net went away in early 2018-Mar)