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[92.22.91.188]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m12sm24364347wrp.49.2021.12.29.18.15.32 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 29 Dec 2021 18:15:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 02:15:32 +0000 List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.4.1 Subject: bectl(8) with pkg-upgrade(8) and PkgBase (was: Call for Foundation-supported Project Ideas) Content-Language: en-GB To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org References: <861r36xzpe.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <61100a28-40ae-4458-d7d5-3bc9b13ba219@gmail.com> From: Graham Perrin X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) In-Reply-To: <61100a28-40ae-4458-d7d5-3bc9b13ba219@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4JPX1S5wK9z4prM X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20210112 header.b=BMTRh52D; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::435 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.64 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.64)[-0.644]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[92.22.91.188:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20210112]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::435:from]; HAS_X_PRIO_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On 29/12/2021 18:30, Karel Gardas wrote: > 1) … boot environments … May be good to also kind of hook > freebsd-update and pkg update/upgrade together when required by user > to make whole system updates more transactional. Maybe take inspiration from GhostBSD, where there's a GUI for the PkgBase-like approach that coherently updates the base system packages and non-base packages. > Better use of boot environments with Update Station is somewhat outdated, as a page. Also/alternatively, inspiration from: * the GUIs through which boot environment-friendly updates were managed in PC-BSD and TrueOS – (not the original location) lacks original screenshots, still it's a useful point of reference * the developer preview of Update in helloSystem, .