From nobody Wed Dec 29 19:15:38 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-hackers@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5052C1913B02 for ; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:15:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4JPLj30RwYz4vbF; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:15:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-qt1-f179.google.com (mail-qt1-f179.google.com [209.85.160.179]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1D4" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kevans) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF7CF266D9; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 19:15:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-qt1-f179.google.com with SMTP id q14so19735574qtx.10; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:15:50 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530dcNUeB3Um3IY/ldyPMlFDESxgzmkcovM6clEzsSTW0v9HaHXH uWMAAeUmUyVtdE7Z8Od+O1P8GNQMf6tS5vq2OuE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxZtW3yT4L2kyCSTXisOc8Elg3Zcfo0LgvmXw7g5Ly6/iD3//2eYChONoOcy3qSADcj3eHcZzZ3NEtWdoZMEQ8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:4c:: with SMTP id y12mr24399678qtw.21.1640805350484; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 11:15:50 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Technical discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <861r36xzpe.fsf@phe.ftfl.ca> <61100a28-40ae-4458-d7d5-3bc9b13ba219@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Kyle Evans Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 13:15:38 -0600 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Call for Foundation-supported Project Ideas To: Karel Gardas Cc: Joseph Mingrone , FreeBSD Hackers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1640805351; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=3y2k2BZNSiCn34fI0q9alodZ/DELIOWNe7F6opjw4dw=; b=EeqoYUgz+5GdPlVGihlC2B7wzEVbhGhH4nKNsfEYw8ceOEwW/869BFqTKvlb1ugxm7zZXV Dp+xLnx9Nwn8R4Hon0oZGd3WZQOvmpcE9N46q09ye/SJjJITkREEUku8boZVoA3prLlxQG w8w1C5nst8rB4qkqAdHVB89Pjwbfd6uGFzydeeTAXf0hN8V/Tx0V5e3iG1Z9G0+B+93986 QfDKsTNXuUDxHfAwUxXtTHwFMmROTqGdUbOK0kGzqK9xC9p7Amc76cS+a1ez0xS8WMNvWL tGDH3fpEDKgTpOLDK8oS/y93SzKN5yXeImZHbPOW0Tcf9D5WKxmGMBLZjZqFjg== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1640805351; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=fN+rdOPa5LBEuJ7SJEb2KBcw1mmdyc1EZmnj5SeUURfVofCSYDyjV1Ew4pYI2pqCEF8vFn cL5B3TnkVR+VlEFqfEbdXTYPOT48Hc4tgj3QAUfeFg4OdSXt0+mJP0rKcBfekFj6NghWG+ bblf6NnjmQrsOPWk2vQaPJHe3aSdkohALOlTtq1Iq7luGSaawm+kCXbYE9+D6v0Fho0+6r sQLpCG090YlT0qpplUMt1cRqDOKwTRHaGxkVTvfaiBLkp0AhwQt7CIR4HVDUUedU4S2lNp wDeneDwRE5FZ0/rQLSG4YIWA31OGyRbMEP4FVjt3bz/N3jz9TerlVX9SfZS/Zg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 1:13 PM Michael Schuster wrote: > > Hi Karel, > > On Wed, Dec 29, 2021, 19:32 Karel Gardas wrote: >> >> >> >> On 11/23/21 11:41 PM, Joseph Mingrone wrote: >> > Hello FreeBSD community, >> > >> > The Foundation is seeking suggestions for new projects to support. What >> > gaps in the Project are not being addressed by the broader community? >> >> sorry for being late with those: >> >> 1) implement/port beadm equivalent from Solaris/IlumosOS? Make >> freebsd-update process more reversible by using proper boot environments >> and using ZFS snapshots. > > > All of these have been in FreeBSD for quite a while - can't give you dates or specifics (port vs "builtin"), but I've been using them since at least 13. > Specifically, bectl(8)[0] has been in and mostly usable since 12.0, and more recently freebsd-update will use it to create a boot environment if the system can cope with that (i.e.: `bectl check` is happy/convinced that it's currently booted into a BE layout that it recognizes). [0] https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=bectl&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=FreeBSD+13.0-RELEASE+and+Ports&arch=default&format=html