From nobody Tue Nov 05 17:21:25 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-fs@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4XjZrL08CYz5cLyY for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2024 17:21:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-pg1-x535.google.com (mail-pg1-x535.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::535]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4XjZrK4CZJz49Sj for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2024 17:21:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-pg1-x535.google.com with SMTP id 41be03b00d2f7-7ed9f1bcb6bso4012255a12.1 for ; Tue, 05 Nov 2024 09:21:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1730827296; x=1731432096; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=8wUoOFcKh/mU98sh41JycnhYHa0nEHJVb6XCDd0qtTE=; b=bTyTpI4E+BgE3yagZI8OSSGTP4+n7nF9wFTWDtATHJ+X8u3gJ1q9LTBFCh9f0bjYxu /C1OBZAMmWLcnZ3ImaVhNr6efMzVhx2KBtltQIlmvAIBlp7n0Fn07k4+UBW9KVWzCL6t tJg5/lcElp+lNOfMELibGbgCZHrf85ABGbO3sAiB8w9T6rdvG+y22CF9HDtoluDGEySa DvW+ecTv42uVEqN0cafkjegwmHV0gKVwzBCEe+ceDMavJnOOJGlHcAwkmFPulnzgi/bU pZ5oKRXQkr3tN3fL5UQHpcAKtANc0e1RJiYEFmhXOGXn6psm0EGXSq3Z/l7QNsWqFWE6 xr6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1730827296; x=1731432096; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=8wUoOFcKh/mU98sh41JycnhYHa0nEHJVb6XCDd0qtTE=; b=QN4/ep5vG5ASGsahAogoGCjZt396tP/HgQdDeiJuQ6wxYh+SzJtrGj+fdoLHop8vgf Ym49RQhHMNpjPNF+irDdAS1mCFbM7BWrHC9Ia+p+VQ7kbj8xbmjsJkiACeO3VArUZTn2 83LKnd6bMwtFY7QAYRnNzQs9znw0dZXgrSqaBI+t+tWuqgIRGgNJ15Ze8EojU64G+eWg MU94JAhi4Y2vPi7YfLcXYu5PAbWSr/tNLOnUqW4bjJiwy6+dPXzVc0sypEcDDWBAoONV 3a5L2GTtb+QwYw69Ph4bzNr8ULtgYYLdYAXuY9f/roztvgHfmENabmjgFGfUUKvBX9FF bRQQ== X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCVbDqGjg/zqn5XbpOmYPROGDnMZLG1AgaqwxmYCQBjNjCqg22O4v9Pr9Wuwx1S3e+2H0xI8MFW0RRtU@freebsd.org X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw9WdXkwusOHn3QKvCXvItLSbTGGg1pC3l9WAuu5ZM1HttYHxJT GVZMVFDW2jTVhRxt6DvGTXY4ZH0HlK97KTSVgbELHcG4ZbX1BUaaStoSBOjvxHrz35wVcFigl/H INUOxmZ7PPYF7mCuW6OB1c8cUO9RdvF0Ku3gU3A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGFcP9BoHU587mIMse8+wsVJceEpTAdUbzHvSu+GxwsEMdsNo2o0LchBWHkazPY++qyAAWqgNym/vH4odFHL8Q= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:9a8d:b0:2c9:a3ca:cc98 with SMTP id 98e67ed59e1d1-2e8f1057e99mr40553660a91.7.1730827296258; Tue, 05 Nov 2024 09:21:36 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Filesystems List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-fs List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-fs@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <3293802b-3785-4715-8a6b-0802afb6f908@app.fastmail.com> <620f4e82-aa69-4af0-bd22-b21203ab8745@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <620f4e82-aa69-4af0-bd22-b21203ab8745@app.fastmail.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2024 10:21:25 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: nvme device errors & zfs To: Dave Cottlehuber Cc: Tomasz CEDRO , freebsd-fs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000029567e06262da24c" X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4XjZrK4CZJz49Sj X-Spamd-Bar: ---- --00000000000029567e06262da24c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 4:20=E2=80=AFAM Dave Cottlehuber w= rote: > On Tue, 5 Nov 2024, at 11:10, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > > Magician software can upgrade firmware and perform other checks, works > > on Windoze macOS and Android: > > that will be difficult, I don't have an nvme capable thing for any > of those. > nvmecontrol updates firmware just fine, though. > > Another idea is maybe disk overheats and resets itself to cool down? > > that is a great point, the mainboard comes with inbuilt heatsinks, but > when I assembled it, the 2nd nvme slot heatsink looked a lot less > bulky than the other one, I remember distinctly wondering if it would > cope. If it happens again I'll see if I can get a temp measurement > at the time of failure. > > I would hope temperature throttling would not be quite so brutal, to > remove itself from the bus entirely, but its a reasonable explanation. > What's supposed to happen is that the temperature climbs slowly enough that there's a chance for it to kick in. It might be thermals, but I'd expect at least some indications that it's thermal. Heat sinks are cheap enough, if it's really thermal. log page 2 has the temperature. How often does the reset happen? A firmware upgrade might solve that problem if they are older. There might just be a bug that causes the firmware to 'trap' and it takes several seconds for the SoC / controller to reboot. Warner > A+ > Dave > =E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94 > O for a muse of fire, that would ascend the brightest heaven of invention= ! > --00000000000029567e06262da24c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Nov 5, 2024 at 4:20=E2=80=AFA= M Dave Cottlehuber <dch@freebsd.org> wrote:
On= Tue, 5 Nov 2024, at 11:10, Tomek CEDRO wrote:
> Magician software can upgrade firmware and perform other checks, works=
> on Windoze macOS and Android:

that will be difficult, I don't have an nvme capable thing for any
of those.

> Another idea is maybe disk overheats and resets itself to cool down?
that is a great point, the mainboard comes with inbuilt heatsinks, but
when I assembled it, the 2nd nvme slot heatsink looked a lot less
bulky than the other one, I remember distinctly wondering if it would
cope. If it happens again I'll see if I can get a temp measurement
at the time of failure.

I would hope temperature throttling would not be quite so brutal, to
remove itself from the bus entirely, but its a reasonable explanation.
<= /blockquote>

What's supposed to happen is that the t= emperature climbs slowly enough
that there's a chance for it = to kick in. It might be thermals, but I'd expect
at least som= e indications that it's thermal. Heat sinks are cheap enough,
if it's really thermal. log page 2 has the temperature.

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A+
Dave
=E2=80=94=E2=80=94=E2=80=94
O for a muse of fire, that would ascend the brightest heaven of invention!<= br>
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