From nobody Wed Sep 11 01:46:50 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-enterprisewg@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4X3Njd0Rnwz5VD5D for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 01:47:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pat@patmaddox.com) Received: from fhigh1-smtp.messagingengine.com (fhigh1-smtp.messagingengine.com [103.168.172.152]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4X3Njc5QFHz4QMn for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2024 01:47:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pat@patmaddox.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from phl-compute-01.internal (phl-compute-01.phl.internal [10.202.2.41]) by mailfhigh.phl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558AB1140154; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 21:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phl-imap-01 ([10.202.2.91]) by phl-compute-01.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 10 Sep 2024 21:47:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=patmaddox.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type:content-type :date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to; s=fm3; t=1726019235; x=1726105635; bh=0UDcv6DeNXNk7EBCAA/AlvJKUoymirlp RX0e+sQAguo=; b=SL/N+/y03PI0gLGdeZ+RB3MMiqI9qbwkLuk47nJoUqP1DaM0 i3KOLNaho/cBQ1taknrstT1nYEHfbweiib5bh1uVx/9yh2HhAro73WrlR8oBdY7S D8AQxOC7t1jCBCwexHL0gobClsbJyqnT3nErulPSQWHxRNgVAvPDJ0gK4SwLlhx3 6w4IVbznW0wh9ofKKXGmJhAXbMb39DVfe789zi8GwTS5mJLMAUE3tXX3vHItK3T0 SBD/Drj3XHTyV+Ub/K+urhSttA9/zBOgfF0Dq935l4Ykjm8KtUzfdbUru8mw2LLN pJFig1h+mPFZ6kuHa5RyxiEm20I429l6Eb6tbQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :references:reply-to:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; t=1726019235; x= 1726105635; bh=0UDcv6DeNXNk7EBCAA/AlvJKUoymirlpRX0e+sQAguo=; b=r vfiVK6szqTNMOmXf0QCoaTmpxATW2whGmIErW9oSx6dZTyLWMmWZR3RrSJXp8evR 0c1vrFSKd0hmbpS2eRavhBUBJG2Ho4BkybMLZaKk3LYDNNcm81BmwQTmi6OHd/up dYiczTjg7OHDAnEAWCMpEjVJ+7d++uPVjsDoXZGRe0rXo4RfvT3kcmZyDHoaRcYp ppZyw1eXfNZ9KW+MWfbh5AiwB3I/MWJMI1gC481mOQVtXO0jbFbuCsQlA9csAjWd j0glxH9nMNSXcLlCcUd4R3fNq/BSsjhjmPLdr8RzN/QGYq+xpv7cTYzT7vczVhwR 41HAqoGmdyaQJkQMArZjg== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeeftddrudejtddghedtucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdggtfgfnhhsuhgsshgtrhhisggvpdfu rfetoffkrfgpnffqhgenuceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnh htshculddquddttddmnegoufhushhpvggtthffohhmrghinhculdegledmnecujfgurhep ofggfffhvfevkfgjfhfutgfgsehtqhertdertdejnecuhfhrohhmpedfrfgrthcuofgrug guohigfdcuoehprghtsehprghtmhgrugguohigrdgtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhn peefleejleetgeehveejieevveegvdffkedvtdfhvdffkedvgeelgefftdeghfegleenuc ffohhmrghinhepghhoohhglhgvrdgtohhmpdgtvggurhhordhinhhfohdptggrlhgvnhgu lhihrdgtohhmpdhmhihshhhophhifhihrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptd enucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepphgrthesphgrthhmrgguughogidrtghomhdp nhgspghrtghpthhtohepgedpmhhouggvpehsmhhtphhouhhtpdhrtghpthhtohepthhomh gvkhestggvughrohdrihhnfhhopdhrtghpthhtohepfhhrvggvsghsugdqvghnthgvrhhp rhhishgvfihgsehfrhgvvggsshgurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtoheprghlihgtvgesfhhrvg gvsghsughfohhunhgurghtihhonhdrohhrghdprhgtphhtthhopehgrhgvghesfhhrvggv sghsughfohhunhgurghtihhonhdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i8b6c40f9:Fastmail Received: by mailuser.phl.internal (Postfix, from userid 501) id B835B3360077; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 21:47:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface List-Id: FreeBSD as a general-purpose enterprise server List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-enterprisewg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-enterprisewg@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-enterprisewg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 18:46:50 -0700 From: "Pat Maddox" To: "Greg Wallace" , "Tomek CEDRO" Cc: "Alice Sowerby" , freebsd-enterprisewg@freebsd.org Message-Id: <1beb0871-4d0c-469f-933a-2362657a9c9c@app.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: Request for updates: EWG call next week Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209242, ipnet:103.168.172.0/24, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X3Njc5QFHz4QMn I=E2=80=99m personally inclined towards NVIDIA because they officially s= upport FreeBSD. Intel / AMD on the other hand come in via the drm-kmod p= ackage from Linux. It=E2=80=99s been really difficult to find authoritat= ive info on which models are supported. I can go to nvidia.com and find = exact models that will work. So my concerns around GPUs in order: 1. Reliable info on models that work with FreeBSD (this is a huge pain p= oint in the forums) 2. CUDA / an alternative 3. Open source Pat On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, at 6:01 AM, Greg Wallace wrote: > Hi Tomek! > > Let's discuss the question of broadening the NVIDIA AI topic to includ= e=20 > other chip makers on the next call.=20 > > When we started the WG, the pain point that was raised and that=20 > participants agreed on was NVIDIA support on FreeBSD. This I think is=20 > due to two factors. First is NVIDIA's lead in AI chips and associated=20 > software and second because CUDA is proprietary. The latter point=20 > making it important that the Foundation play some role. > > For Intel and AMD, it's great to see them emerging with strong=20 > alternatives. In addition, my understanding is that their respective=20 > CUDA alternatives are primarily open source. This makes it possible fo= r=20 > the community to work on FreeBSD support. At least that's my=20 > understanding.=20 > > All the above said, I will add for next week's agenda > > Regarding Wifi, this is a known area that needs improvement but that, = I=20 > submit, is outside the scope of the enterprise WG. > > Greg > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 9:04=E2=80=AFAM Tomek CEDRO = wrote: >> Hey there :-) >>=20 >> I can see only NVIDIA GPU support but no AMD GPU support.. and so no >> INTEL GPU support. I guess the problem is with general GPU support >> that relates to DRM right? Can we add this broad scope please? >>=20 >> Also recently I was traveling more and used WiFi more than Ethernet >> connections. I must admit current WiFi support looks really bad (old >> standard support, speed, reliability, no 5GHz band). We should also >> add WiFi to the list..? Not to mention setups like modern WiFi AP + >> wireguard access network on FreeBSD my friend recently was thinking >> about. >>=20 >> Have a good day :-) >> Tomek >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM Alice Sowerby >> wrote: >> > >> > Hello everyone, >> > >> > Heads up that the next EWG call is next Wednesday, September 18 at = 5pm UK. I will be on PTO and Greg Wallace (cc'd) will be hosting. >> > >> > Please let me know in advance any updates you may have, and copy Gr= eg in. >> > >> > Or, please update the spreadsheet directly: >> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pM3boLIcKj26lq7XbwGMBXW0-F8= 4We3r_Xc3zovHjaQ/edit?usp=3Dsharing >> > >> > Hope you have a great call! >> > >> > Alice. >> > -- >> > Alice Sowerby >> > Part-time Program Manager, Partnerships & Research >> > M +44 7787 953393 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > > > --=20 > Greg Wallace > Director of Partnerships & Research > M +1 919-247-3165 > Schedule a meeting > Get your FreeBSD Gear