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[209.85.128.174]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 00721157ae682-6db96531184sm2837737b3.137.2024.09.10.06.06.05 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 10 Sep 2024 06:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-6db9e47ee79so3605307b3.3 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 06:06:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCUgvd+HkWYl6/iYQO2l6rhDOJgVrSsL265YsK83a9m9WX/5UZ90LkcoegkNHYdZozflXDFyeQ8qo1R9jjQwlIpDQLeVzw==@freebsd.org X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:b:b0:69d:e911:88c3 with SMTP id 00721157ae682-6db4516fb32mr141663567b3.29.1725973564633; Tue, 10 Sep 2024 06:06:04 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: FreeBSD as a general-purpose enterprise server List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-enterprisewg List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: freebsd-enterprisewg@freebsd.org Sender: owner-freebsd-enterprisewg@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2024 15:05:51 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Request for updates: EWG call next week To: Greg Wallace Cc: Alice Sowerby , freebsd-enterprisewg@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003658440621c3897d" X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4X33qN0fTZz4DMV --0000000000003658440621c3897d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Greg :-) I meant GPU (2D/3D graphics) for a desktop workstation working with CAD, picture/video/model editing, etc, not AI chips :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 15:01 Greg Wallace wrote= : > Hi Tomek! > > Let's discuss the question of broadening the NVIDIA AI topic to include > other chip makers on the next call. > > When we started the WG, the pain point that was raised and that > participants agreed on was NVIDIA support on FreeBSD. This I think is due > to two factors. First is NVIDIA's lead in AI chips and associated softwar= e > and second because CUDA is proprietary. The latter point making it > important that the Foundation play some role. > > For Intel and AMD, it's great to see them emerging with strong > alternatives. In addition, my understanding is that their respective CUDA > alternatives are primarily open source. This makes it possible for the > community to work on FreeBSD support. At least that's my understanding. > > All the above said, I will add for next week's agenda > > Regarding Wifi, this is a known area that needs improvement but that, I > submit, is outside the scope of the enterprise WG. > > Greg > > > > On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 9:04=E2=80=AFAM Tomek CEDRO wro= te: > >> Hey there :-) >> >> I can see only NVIDIA GPU support but no AMD GPU support.. and so no >> INTEL GPU support. I guess the problem is with general GPU support >> that relates to DRM right? Can we add this broad scope please? >> >> Also recently I was traveling more and used WiFi more than Ethernet >> connections. I must admit current WiFi support looks really bad (old >> standard support, speed, reliability, no 5GHz band). We should also >> add WiFi to the list..? Not to mention setups like modern WiFi AP + >> wireguard access network on FreeBSD my friend recently was thinking >> about. >> >> Have a good day :-) >> Tomek >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM Alice Sowerby >> wrote: >> > >> > Hello everyone, >> > >> > Heads up that the next EWG call is next Wednesday, September 18 at 5pm >> UK. I will be on PTO and Greg Wallace (cc'd) will be hosting. >> > >> > Please let me know in advance any updates you may have, and copy Greg >> in. >> > >> > Or, please update the spreadsheet directly: >> > >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pM3boLIcKj26lq7XbwGMBXW0-F84We3r= _Xc3zovHjaQ/edit?usp=3Dsharing >> > >> > Hope you have a great call! >> > >> > Alice. >> > -- >> > Alice Sowerby >> > Part-time Program Manager, Partnerships & Research >> > M +44 7787 953393 >> >> >> >> -- >> CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info >> > > > -- > Greg Wallace > Director of Partnerships & Research > M +1 919-247-3165 > Schedule a meeting > Get your FreeBSD Gear > --0000000000003658440621c3897d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Greg :-)

=
I meant GPU (2D/3D graphics) for a desktop workstation wo= rking with CAD, picture/video/model editing, etc, not AI chips :-)

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CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, = http://www.tomek.cedro.info

On Tue, Sep 10, 2024, 15:01 Greg Wallace <greg@freebsdfoundation.org> wrote:
Hi Tomek!
=
Let's discuss the question=C2=A0of broadening the NVIDIA= AI topic to include other chip makers on the next call.=C2=A0
When we started the WG, the pain point that was raised and tha= t participants agreed on was NVIDIA support on FreeBSD. This I think is due= to two factors. First is NVIDIA's lead in AI chips and associated soft= ware and second because CUDA is proprietary. The latter point making it imp= ortant that the Foundation=C2=A0play some role.

Fo= r Intel and AMD, it's great to see them emerging with strong alternativ= es. In addition, my understanding is that their respective CUDA alternative= s are primarily open source. This makes it possible for the community to wo= rk on FreeBSD support. At least that's my understanding.=C2=A0

All the above said, I will add for next week's agenda<= /div>

Regarding Wifi, this is a known area that needs im= provement but that, I submit, is outside the scope of the enterprise WG.

Greg



On Mon, Sep = 9, 2024 at 9:04=E2=80=AFAM Tomek CEDRO <tomek@cedro.info> wrote:
Hey there :-)

I can see only NVIDIA GPU support but no AMD GPU support.. and so no
INTEL GPU support. I guess the problem is with general GPU support
that relates to DRM right? Can we add this broad scope please?

Also recently I was traveling more and used WiFi more than Ethernet
connections. I must admit current WiFi support looks really bad (old
standard support, speed, reliability, no 5GHz band). We should also
add WiFi to the list..? Not to mention setups like modern WiFi AP +
wireguard access network on FreeBSD my friend recently was thinking
about.

Have a good day :-)
Tomek








On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 2:02=E2=80=AFPM Alice Sowerby
<alice@freebsdfoundation.org> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Heads up that the next EWG call is next Wednesday, September 18 at 5pm= UK. I will be on PTO and Greg Wallace (cc'd) will be hosting.
>
> Please let me know in advance any updates you may have, and copy Greg = in.
>
> Or, please update the spreadsheet directly:
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pM3boLIcKj26lq7Xb= wGMBXW0-F84We3r_Xc3zovHjaQ/edit?usp=3Dsharing
>
> Hope you have a great call!
>
> Alice.
> --
> Alice Sowerby
> Part-time Program Manager, Partnerships & Research
> M +44 7787 953393



--
CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info


--
Greg Wallace
Director of Partnerships & Research
M +1 91= 9-247-3165
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