From nobody Tue Aug 03 22:41:40 2021 X-Original-To: freebsd-embedded@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05F621379538 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (gate2.funkthat.com [208.87.223.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "gate2.funkthat.com", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GfVH15Pwkz4Txp for ; Tue, 3 Aug 2021 22:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: from gold.funkthat.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 173MfeU3007201 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg@gold.funkthat.com) Received: (from jmg@localhost) by gold.funkthat.com (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 173Mfe0I007199; Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:41:40 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from jmg) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 15:41:40 -0700 From: John-Mark Gurney To: mike tancsa Cc: freebsd-embedded Subject: Re: PCEngines alternatives Message-ID: <20210803224140.GK41029@funkthat.com> Mail-Followup-To: mike tancsa , freebsd-embedded References: List-Id: Dedicated and Embedded Systems List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-embedded List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-embedded@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 11.3-STABLE amd64 X-PGP-Fingerprint: D87A 235F FB71 1F3F 55B7 ED9B D5FF 5A51 C0AC 3D65 X-Files: The truth is out there X-URL: https://www.funkthat.com/ X-Resume: https://www.funkthat.com/~jmg/resume.html X-TipJar: bitcoin:13Qmb6AeTgQecazTWph4XasEsP7nGRbAPE X-to-the-FBI-CIA-and-NSA: HI! HOW YA DOIN? can i haz chizburger? User-Agent: Mutt/1.6.1 (2016-04-27) X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (gold.funkthat.com [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 03 Aug 2021 15:41:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4GfVH15Pwkz4Txp X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-ThisMailContainsUnwantedMimeParts: N mike tancsa wrote this message on Tue, Aug 03, 2021 at 08:33 -0400: > I love these boards a lot, but it looks like availability is going to be > really tight for some time.  Does anyone have any suggestions for > alternatives ?  ARM seems to be looking better and better, however, I > need something with more than one built in ethernet port (3-4 ideally) > and something with zero fans as the environments tend to be very dirty-- > hence off the shelf Pi4 is not that attractive. Yeah, I'm looking for an APU4 alternative since the processor isn't fast enough to firewall my fiber connection. Most/all of the arm boards are way to slow for my uses. If you're fine at <200Mbps, then they'll be fine. The A72 or newer cores are MUCH better at performance than the older arm64 cores.. Also, you're correct that you don't want to use USB. I've worked to make some drivers better, but I've had issues, either stability or performance which makes even USB 3.0 adapters not a great option. Add in PCIe cards are a good option, and quite cheap to add, the harder part is that getting case for some of the cheaper SBCs that take a PCIe card can be difficult. The hardest part is finding something that isn't expensive, but still performant. I ended up giving up and looking at systems w/ fans, as though the location is somewhat dusty, I don't think it'll be bad enough to cause issues... There's always building yourself your own filter box if it's truly that bad.. -- John-Mark Gurney Voice: +1 415 225 5579 "All that I will do, has been done, All that I have, has not."