From nobody Thu May 23 20:50:30 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VlgL32cQHz5LJ2F for ; Thu, 23 May 2024 20:50:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.evolve.de (mail.evolve.de [213.239.217.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.evolve.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VlgL25bPqz456q; Thu, 23 May 2024 20:50:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 94e8e079; Thu, 23 May 2024 20:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 42a63429 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Thu, 23 May 2024 20:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable List-Id: Documentation project List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-doc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Localized versions of freebsd.org outdated and linked to by google From: Michael Gmelin In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 22:50:30 +0200 Cc: freebsd-doc@freebsd.org Message-Id: References: To: Lorenzo Salvadore X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20H343) X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:213.239.192.0/18, country:DE] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VlgL25bPqz456q > On 23. May 2024, at 22:08, Lorenzo Salvadore wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn Thursday, May 23rd, 2024 at 18:41, Michael Gmelin wrote: >=20 >> I think this situation needs to be resolved, either by updating these >> pages by whatever means or by giving up localization - at least for the >> languages we cannot support. >>=20 >> Best >> Michael >>=20 >> -- >> Michael Gmelin >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Some attempts to choose a path between the alternatives you propose has al= ready > been done: > https://wiki.freebsd.org/Doc/Translation/Website >=20 > However, due to some planned changes to the website which had to be delaye= d, > no work to save any localization has started yet. >=20 > Anyway, it looks like that there is not much interest in saving those > translations, so they will probably just die... It is a pity, I believe > localization is important, but FreeBSD is a voluntary project: if no > one would like to work on it, nobody will work on it. It=E2=80=99s sad on many levels indeed, but based on the current state of af= fairs I think users are better off using the English website (and the in-bui= lt translation feature of their web browser, if needed). There is no point o= ffering localized pages if they don=E2=80=99t provide current information on= even the most basic facts like the current release version. Imagine googlin= g =E2=80=9CFreeBSD latest release=E2=80=9D and ending up on a page telling t= hat it happened four years ago. That=E2=80=99s not helping anybody. So, facing the facts, I would suggest one of the following: 1. put a warning on localized pages that they=E2=80=99re outdated (not a goo= d solution, imho) 2. automatically translate to localized pages and put a warning on top that t= he translation was generated automatically (meh) 3. replace localized pages with redirects to the English originals To me, given our target audience and the stage of tooling, 3. sounds the mos= t straightforward solution to me. Cheers Michael