From nobody Thu May 23 16:41:38 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-doc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4VlYq06G19z5KZkK for ; Thu, 23 May 2024 16:41:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Received: from mail.evolve.de (mail.evolve.de [213.239.217.29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.evolve.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4VlYq00FDqz4lVp for ; Thu, 23 May 2024 16:41:47 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grembo@freebsd.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=freebsd.org (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 213.239.217.29 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of grembo@freebsd.org) smtp.mailfrom=grembo@freebsd.org Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id d6c7e1b4 for ; Thu, 23 May 2024 16:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.evolve.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 8bd92451 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO) for ; Thu, 23 May 2024 16:41:43 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 23 May 2024 18:41:38 +0200 From: Michael Gmelin To: "freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Localized versions of freebsd.org outdated and linked to by google Message-ID: <20240523184138.6712847c.grembo@freebsd.org> X-Face: $wrgCtfdVw_H9WAY?S&9+/F"!41z'L$uo*WzT8miX?kZ~W~Lr5W7v?j0Sde\mwB&/ypo^}> +a'4xMc^^KroE~+v^&^#[B">soBo1y6(TW6#UZiC]o>C6`ej+i Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAJFBMVEWJBwe5BQDl LASZU0/LTEWEfHbyj0Txi32+sKrp1Mv944X8/fm1rS+cAAAACXBIWXMAAAsTAAAL EwEAmpwYAAAAB3RJTUUH3wESCxwC7OBhbgAAACFpVFh0Q29tbWVudAAAAAAAQ3Jl YXRlZCB3aXRoIFRoZSBHSU1QbbCXAAAAAghJREFUOMu11DFvEzEUAGCfEhBVFzuq AKkLd0O6VrIQsLXVSZXoWE5N1K3DobBBA9fQpRWc8OkWouaIjedWKiyREOKs+3PY fvalCNjgLVHeF7/3bMtBzV8C/VsQ8tecEgCcDgrzjekwKZ7TwsJZd/ywEKwwP+ZM 8P3drTsAwWn2mpWuDDuYiK1bFs6De0KUUFw0tWxm+D4AIhuuvZqtyWYeO7jQ4Aea 7jUqI+ixhQoHex4WshEvSXdood7stlv4oSuFOC4tqGcr0NjEqXgV4mMJO38nld4+ xKNxRDon7khyKVqY7YR4d+Cg0OMrkWXZOM7YDkEfKiilCn1qYv4mighZiynuHHOA Wq9QJq+BIES7lMFUtcikMnkDGHUoncA+uHgrP0ctIEqfwLHzeSo+eUA66AqzwN6n 2ZHJhw6Qh/PoyC/QENyEyC/AyNjq74Bs+3UH0xYwzDUC4B97HgLocg1QLYgDDO1v f3UX9Y307Ew4AHh67YAFFsxEpkXwpXY3eIgMhAAE3R19L919nNnuD2wlPcDE3UeT L2ytEICQib9BXgS2fU8PrD82ToYO1OEmMSnYTjSqSv9wdC0tPYC+rQRQD9ESnldF CyqfmiYW+tlALt8gH2xrMdC/youbjzPXEun+/ReXsMCDyve3dZc09fn2Oas8oXGc Jj6/fOeK5UmSMPmf/jL+GD8BEj0k/Fn6IO4AAAAASUVORK5CYII= List-Id: Documentation project List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-doc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.96 / 15.00]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.96)[-0.964]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[freebsd.org : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:213.239.192.0/18, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[grembo]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; TO_DOM_EQ_FROM_DOM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-doc@FreeBSD.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all:c]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-doc@freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4VlYq00FDqz4lVp Hi, As I long term user I always use the English documentation of the project and like many of us, I simply rely on google to get there. In the past I could simply avoid search results that linked to localized versions, but thanks to some changes google did, it's not obvious anymore (without hovering) if the link goes to a localized version or not, as google is stripping out the language part of the URL when showing where it would link to, as in: https://www.freebsd.org =E2=80=BA releases =E2=80=BA errata It seems like this is done based on source IP address and not based on the actual locale used in the browser. What I noticed while getting to localized versions is that some of these pages are really outdated and/or broken, even those central to the project. Examples: - https://www.freebsd.org/de/releases/ This seems to have been updated last in the first year of the pandemic, listing 11.4 and 12.1 as current releases. - https://www.freebsd.org/de/security/advisories/ This is actually in English and not German, therefore it has the current content. Unfortunately all links to security advisories are broken. I think this situation needs to be resolved, either by updating these pages by whatever means or by giving up localization - at least for the languages we cannot support. Best Michael --=20 Michael Gmelin