From nobody Sat Aug 26 03:19:05 2023 X-Original-To: doc@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4RXhqs5m11z4rBYq for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 03:19:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RXhqs4jnFz3DqG for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 03:19:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1693019945; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=oHllj6qnRrXnMP+PclONO+GbIVNrDgiM4QVjXGZKums=; b=ylMl5+L2FDFPvmBxmlGfbXNU4sJLqJlcYqGol96DsFClkjGv9NytWlb8UvUpMOunhiMk/i xJ4QhXU2o11LhdVPZwvm18FWrwj2zrha4uylwxZsTlMqi+euuCU1udV7yKl+BewLjCKGiu wdn0GD0g77VtUDwkX17RUK9QLfVj1LZGxAsbaeKA/ly3YbdME80BTxhnk5qgmHwmcbFVUN qe36pSLgCUHvKTmcajyzeiIT9DjLXaKGQkSsexRAWbQWJqR6CzcV+8207FB1E2ibwghrhP 8ubmVOozTtufyT/2tiCV/5hyLfQhG4LTYgLomjh+uMwm4otmBOSt3ZQXmF3nBw== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1693019945; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=XcAtT4NIX9sY2NQujB40XRA6BZvPqftiDpZPoMUJUNicSNpyMzBKftOkhvOq0gN3AI5WrU N5pkNf5ryMimqlKgFy7O0hHb9cLb8pr9WYKremxnn9n16Y3eOJT0Z/hT+iwPFJ65YrpUrL QbeShDADj9q8k76kgblIkHMAobwYDyxsSZq5Asdl7x34Ky++J+5ElgCkvoCPjp+LDox2YK Ewz6MhxwRlpQZql/brsEpp29w5ojEk0WXZlsjP8wOJm1fUfEp6CQ851lX6LM+dFX+R6sEY DA9vyqg5xcF2pNvg1uH6vgHg0Z1Z2QNZu8scB6S+3mkMVpOSe2OcxP5OejCzqA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4RXhqs3hnZz4MC for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 03:19:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 37Q3J5Ou015272 for ; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 03:19:05 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 37Q3J5w2015271 for doc@FreeBSD.org; Sat, 26 Aug 2023 03:19:05 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: doc@FreeBSD.org Subject: =?UTF-8?B?W0J1ZyAyNzMwMTddIFRoZSBtZWFuaW5ncyBvZiAnbGVnYWN5JyA=?= =?UTF-8?B?4oCTIGluIHBhcnRpY3VsYXIsIGZvciB0aGluZ3Mgc3VjaCBhcyBGcmVlQlNE?= =?UTF-8?B?IDEyLjQtUkVMRUFTRSwgd2hpY2ggaXMgbm8gbG9uZ2VyIHByb2R1Y3Rpb24=?= Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2023 03:19:05 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Documentation X-Bugzilla-Component: Website X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Many People X-Bugzilla-Who: grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Bugzilla-Status: Open X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: doc@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: maintainer-feedback? X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: flagtypes.name cc Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated List-Id: Documentation project List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-doc List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-doc@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D273017 Graham Perrin =E2=97=90 changed: What |Removed |Added ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Flags| |maintainer-feedback?(cperci | |va@FreeBSD.org) CC| |cperciva@FreeBSD.org --- Comment #15 from Graham Perrin =E2=97=90 --- It took me a couple of weeks to rediscover this (sorry), I stumbled into it whilst preparing an unrelated diff for the download page:=20 > =E2=80=A6 Legacy releases are for users wishing to stay with a more=20 > conservative upgrade strategy. =E2=80=A6 =E2=80=93 and linked from the preceding comment: , which remi= nds me:=20 > Is this true? =E2=80=A6 No mention of legacy in the February 2015=20 > 'Changes to the FreeBSD Support Model'=20 > .=20 ---- Now I see, the '=3D=3D=3D Legacy Release' section of the page was actively = used a couple of weeks before I became a mentee:=20 I don't want to spend too much time digging through ancient history, I guess that thoughts of _conservatism_ were partly rooted in legacy release engineering. From legacy :=20 > =E2=80=A6 To service our most conservative users, individual release bran= ches=20 > were introduced with FreeBSD 4.3. These release branches are created=20 > shortly before a final release is made. After the release goes out,=20 > only the most critical security fixes and additions are merged onto the=20 > release branch.=20 =E2=80=93 4.3 was fourteen years before the changes to the support model.=20 --- Fast-forward to this month:=20 > I would say that legacy means "we don't recommend using this if you're=20 > setting up a new system, but it's still supported in case you're=20 > running an older system". >=20 > As far as FreeBSD releases are concerned, I would say that FreeBSD=20 > X.* becomes "legacy" once FreeBSD (X+1).1-RELEASE ships.=20 > Some people won't want to use a .0 release, but once we get to=20 > .1 I would advise everyone to use that rather than a=20 > previous major version. =E2=80=93 This interpreted meaning (there are others) seems to differ significantly f= rom the conservative upgrade mindset. No one person is right, or wrong :-) ---- I envisage a coordinated enhancement to the download page that should negate the need to describe any version as legacy =E2=80=A6 --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug.=