Re: [LDWG] Issues for "proj-laptop"

Hi Desktop mailing list,

Ben Hutton and I have met with a UX lead from KDE (Nuno Pinheiro) to get
some insights into how a user-focused testing project or group for FreeBSD
could learn from what KDE has done. Ben and I have started collaborating on
a plan to see what an appropriate first try at testing would look like.

I'll keep you updated as things progress.

Thanks,

Alice.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 4:50 PM Alice Sowerby <alice@freebsdfoundation.org>
wrote:

> Update for the mailing list:
>
> Ben and I have agreed to see what a testing plan could look like, and are
> going to collaborate offline a bit on it. If anyone else is interested in
> working with us in the running/management of this, please let me know. Or
> if you are interested in being a tester, keep your eye on this mailing list
> and I will post more details when we are ready for you.
>
> Thanks!
> Alice.
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 3:47 PM Ben Hutton <ben@benhutton.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Hi Alice,
>>
>> I would be more than happy to help where I can.
>>
>> While I have been using FreeBSD on servers for around 25 years I have
>> recently started using it on Laptops in an attempt to migrate away from
>> MacOS. It has been a challenge even with being comfortable with FreeBSD
>> already. I would very much like to help in improving the overall experience
>> of FreeBSD on Laptops.
>>
>> Kind regards
>> Ben
>> On 1/27/25 18:24, Alice Sowerby wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steven,
>>
>> Thanks for doing this, super helpful! I do believe that this kind of
>> testing is really valuable. My understanding is that though there is a
>> process for logging bugs in FreeBSD, there isn't a clear place to lodge
>> usability issues, or this sort of end-to-end testing. But I'm new to
>> FreeBSD and if there is something I would love to be pointed in the right
>> direction.
>>
>> The Foundation's Laptop project is a subset of the overall community's
>> work related to laptops, and the work we are doing is visible in the repo
>> you mentioned. At the moment we are aiming for this repo to be a place for
>> making the work visible, and for it to be read-only (not a place to report
>> bugs or file test reports).
>>
>> However, the Foundation is aware that there is a need for a more
>> UX-focused testing effort for this project (and maybe for FreeBSD in
>> general?). It's something we need to solve for sooner rather than later.
>> We've put out a call for any volunteers in the community who can help
>> with this, both as testers and also helping to set up and manage a
>> community-based testing group. So far we've seen a bit of interest in
>> testing, less so for helping manage the effort.
>>
>> I intend to discuss this with Ed Maste tomorrow, so I may have a
>> suggestion after that. In the meantime, if anyone would like to help, we
>> would welcome it with open arms!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Alice.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 27, 2025 at 7:54 AM Steven Harms (High-Security Mail) <
>> sgharms@stevengharms.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I recently did an install of FreeBSD and kept copious notes of where
>>> things were confusing scary, or where I hit non-support, etc. In short,
>>> what does installing and the first steps of FreeBSD feel like. I have some
>>> ideas for projects. (1) What's the best way to document my experience?
>>> Additionally, (2) is it appropriate to add issues directly to
>>> https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/issues? Most of them
>>> seem to be created by one person who seems to be the project lead (Alice
>>> S.) and I wasn't sure if it was appropriate for the unwashed to drop items
>>> in there.
>>>
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