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[62.13.8.86]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 2adb3069b0e04-5450c7bcb1fsm728371e87.40.2025.02.11.11.33.26 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Feb 2025 11:33:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 20:33:25 +0100 List-Id: Using and improving FreeBSD on the desktop List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-desktop List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-desktop@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: FreeBSD Foundation Laptop Support target hardware and desktop environments To: freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org References: Content-Language: en-US From: Lars Tunkrans In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20230601]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::129:from] X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Yss7F1qjzz3Myv Hi,  after 45 years  in  the UNIX  /  HW    support  business the  trend I see that  the lifecycle of a specific computer model gets shorter an shorter.  We are now  down to  lifecycles of less than a Year due  to  INTEL / AMD   competition.   In  fact  FRAMEWORK releases  new models  in 2 weeks. So the  development of  support  for  one  single model computer will not  be finished during  its  salescycle on  the  market. Its the  Laptop Peripherals :   WIFI,  touchpads, cameras , microphones , batteries , sleepstates,                                                        biometric devices used for identification,   that needs drivers.   Using  an available  Platform for doing  this is of course necessary , but remember  that  9 months after you  started development  the  unit  will  disappear from  the  shelves.       Lars Tunkrans.        Fujitsu SPARC M12  product  specialist. On 2/11/25 15:44, Ed Maste wrote: > The FreeBSD Foundation's Laptop Support and Usability Improvements > project is choosing a small list of laptops and of desktop > environments that will be used as targets for our development effort. > This means that contracted developers will be using the laptops and > environments on these lists during their work, and that our testing > will be done against these. > > Inclusion in the target laptop list implies that at least two of these > laptop models are in use by developers working on this project for the > FreeBSD Foundation, and that we have vendor contacts for development > support. > > We are starting the list with the 13" AMD Framework laptop: > https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/blob/main/supported/laptops.md > > We've chosen this laptop as the initial target for a few reasons. The > Foundation has a good relationship with folks at Framework, and they > have been contributing bug fixes and improvements to improve FreeBSD. > See https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/freebsd-on-framework for > details. > > The Foundation also has a good working relationship with AMD, in case > we need support during development. Additional laptop models will be > added over time, taking into account vendor support and community > feedback. > > For the desktop environment we'll start with KDE, as it is popular and > has an active development team. > https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/blob/main/supported/desktop-environment.md. > > We're targeting Wayland as it's important for long-term viability, > although in the short term KDE on X11 is the usable approach. > > Please let me know if you have any feedback on these two topics. >