From nobody Tue Feb 11 14:44:54 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-desktop@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YskkY0RLCz5ngTs for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 14:45:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emaste@freebsdfoundation.org) Received: from mail-ed1-x529.google.com (mail-ed1-x529.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::529]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YskkX2CYQz3JLS for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 14:45:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from emaste@freebsdfoundation.org) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=freebsdfoundation.org header.s=gfnp-20170908 header.b=JG98VaT8; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of emaste@freebsdfoundation.org designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::529 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=emaste@freebsdfoundation.org; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=freebsdfoundation.org Received: by mail-ed1-x529.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5de3c29e9b3so8060547a12.3 for ; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 06:45:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsdfoundation.org; s=gfnp-20170908; t=1739285106; x=1739889906; darn=freebsd.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6WBY7ebjNgdc3KVztYQT/nEKYcKITsY++Asee/5pLAA=; b=JG98VaT8k8LNN2+akxJMMLkq4yJYCyN3ExUl9eWsJXWZhXvHSE5534P+ylXLLezC7J He6/whQZ+QAhrSR30Ig9kOaLpBvoAZMR2rzjdp4htVq6EYHBwSHPJIbDYY+ktKt1biLc Sv99spv7hvbXM+NCCxZIgHrKlGTwsoW45eOBXxdB/8yftKSlQO1msOzPqir0wHo7XCzK YSw7yvMDa+heDe9rse0q8I/NcYCwCG+imgm8ihhyyqNWnvMummhU5dEmgpg06i5HscvB Chy+ZWQAak0am8nwDLeeO5EaO/TVEVzQ98ubOsXYrgYoUTMAlWKJy/sr3DjSYb/pJqzR sifg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1739285106; x=1739889906; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=6WBY7ebjNgdc3KVztYQT/nEKYcKITsY++Asee/5pLAA=; b=O+pXKpr1XDThxaxC/ny66job2WDfOE3RlF6BjCUZ9Z1PafRVjJOZz4Qu3C0a3CS3Rf DpWFZ0zmh/xDaoi2zwD2rrxSbS2ohSpchIFEnPamT/NySJaIrZWwFE2u+PuffnZRxWjJ Rc5Kt6dVvk3RukL8hhx0HPPZEQNQFSeYeD5VVCKCPnvSAGXXwuEjhKq1/BgVf+lw0UIH rcBukkyBXG6C7HzI4lAtkJJEWmFMBSWkD4J4hKysfiDcXBAx1SMnuAA7w3xUlwzGDv5p COYxbzeEAHuZj3B1dKdJwjC/gY1C7r/aSkOl+/eRJf9pR0LqgAXXlpPX/Lt66Brafx4P G8Ew== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzoZSo5Xt2wo9/P15jJs0s0W2uf6bCHXKVpPGbvvJ6gl2yNQkRQ mzI9342ZMsT+4+U0pYHBXspvHSP4VFX9pwZ2wccSb4YSIlamRaCRRLKWvp2NHua/OQN/gCkWWc/ H1DzuKpnkW/Oz9rJ36UKkF4rdzgG4qv1WYccfIgRjl3jDoJq7LmQ= X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncudRjKK7ttL0pjibGYLqlkJpuabqRYCii6s1/w9Jx6tJxHaABUF52NnNg7FXSt oOwPT+/YqQ1onsz3ZghVOegKo+5GBaMfpy7r/FLaax7+0WbfWwXxE1FbBKpkdHpyw/iR2lVblYk 5JV1pcJagsnKw7vfZIfeLXn0yllIfyIbg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IG5NFZiKIHzexyogr1tOUhMTkzh61tJ9o0UTGHe3R5J6Ws8WODE4pgUEUb8/+ZVCXkUfcckC/V3BkQnsbjFCNY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:910:b0:5de:5946:8a01 with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-5de59468a13mr14620591a12.2.1739285105893; Tue, 11 Feb 2025 06:45:05 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Using and improving FreeBSD on the desktop List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-desktop List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-desktop@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ed Maste Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2025 09:44:54 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZnuWUvQ45XuTa7FnWwGo47xijA2mWr7HaesFXc3s1ABjR3I-xwBHyMkcz4 Message-ID: Subject: FreeBSD Foundation Laptop Support target hardware and desktop environments To: freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.993]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[freebsdfoundation.org,none]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[freebsdfoundation.org:s=gfnp-20170908]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MISSING_XM_UA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[emaste]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::529:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[freebsdfoundation.org:+] X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YskkX2CYQz3JLS The FreeBSD Foundation's Laptop Support and Usability Improvements project is choosing a small list of laptops and of desktop environments that will be used as targets for our development effort. This means that contracted developers will be using the laptops and environments on these lists during their work, and that our testing will be done against these. Inclusion in the target laptop list implies that at least two of these laptop models are in use by developers working on this project for the FreeBSD Foundation, and that we have vendor contacts for development support. We are starting the list with the 13" AMD Framework laptop: https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/blob/main/supported/laptops.md We've chosen this laptop as the initial target for a few reasons. The Foundation has a good relationship with folks at Framework, and they have been contributing bug fixes and improvements to improve FreeBSD. See https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/freebsd-on-framework for details. The Foundation also has a good working relationship with AMD, in case we need support during development. Additional laptop models will be added over time, taking into account vendor support and community feedback. For the desktop environment we'll start with KDE, as it is popular and has an active development team. https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/blob/main/supported/desktop-environment.md. We're targeting Wayland as it's important for long-term viability, although in the short term KDE on X11 is the usable approach. Please let me know if you have any feedback on these two topics.