From nobody Tue Jan 28 18:12:48 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YjD0c264Lz5ltWH for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:12:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [96.47.72.132]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "freefall.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YjD0c1WTrz3RF0; Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:12:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danfe@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1738087968; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=sgBgFaAxFvdCij7BASY7gKVxCWD9zKXE6NyQIMWRB7Y=; b=u0d2/rBhN7AJf61vsWR+7mpYhOU2ct4Z8FmVAAgd19AT0j+zOVhzT1u8S5IWI+hlHv10pZ LfVuSBZ1lyhyAQk7eWHjb8udg7yrJOkKcLr8uO9qxSGUgHvxbrZS2Ttqqqu7F5nW5mOBul XEd5YCh+/eeCf+ylqY/1qz+00+pT5R66Rss8WuE3aT8YTEfEHl/XlS8O/aKsKZEjdBDFwY fms2TElg13Krk9iuEO80K7SAH69QlncLcUGk/AA58tZg0nkV8WH/Wzo7dRQTNm9n3XjCgp ap/eiMqty8C2Rjf5TSs/dp4dQgijbDgMbzYZiDPbYg4b0Hzi7AlGps/6//zafw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1738087968; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=sgBgFaAxFvdCij7BASY7gKVxCWD9zKXE6NyQIMWRB7Y=; b=ECEeVRnh1+uzcdJJqSYmb8rFVGPVh2o7xIT9xzkdGuTPgnigTXPIHCs8Qxz5xpnmq2CCag jGrYjKfPpdprRP7MgGfW/hu6TL1Ty9Loqb0gm9iKvpsbwSQOOF6tCftBp7WkyKxpv90Kdn WEDSrOkOrsGtie1TJPaG1R9MMsW4+S/xJr9mA3XxMHHZoqwLPNdXNspwP3a+jFi/GWgZtz 4S96WEoKCh3XFnH6KTn1l3khOiGyyF9FtvSZHJagbxLC695qI0eqOW/oz9v7xgnF2dXQwX 9/F4KXHKep8SqMj2FMKWnz6C08oUXR0g+Xa2GGm2n6KTSNTYUy0LJLS2jin/ig== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1738087968; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=xmcB8foUfLIHm6gdZjDFaujGy5DvVqYoNxyJvDUx4PJjTlutFPwoGxAKlaCubJjbB02bql 48N9tNVKEXefVZgLfRvRH1bON/eJbTdJJCAlEBORFcCo7LR2+QXKYsIouxSjxAcW9ZYe7s hkXf+vxGRXjE0YZ+J8cHhio8TOgn2NA6Xf2RLKeuNaBw9EoxeQbaJCCDVDTxe6d/kLWDfL tqCWc9jPvnqkalHoZ6D4jnXaF+MXgJOLrSNqrqwI3AJG3nC6orHSOpbSTEqUCa1Cfo8Fdf tt0ZwHlCM/2qZZktx9QKsN30AXTnkMlYtb8va5BbPEQCvat2gyk03FbA3A43Nw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by freefall.freebsd.org (Postfix, from userid 1033) id 236BDAFAC; Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:12:48 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2025 18:12:48 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev To: Gleb Smirnoff Cc: Alexander Leidinger , allanjude@freebsd.org, Current FreeBSD Subject: Re: Difference in "netstat -rn" output in the last 2 months Message-ID: References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Tue, Jan 28, 2025 at 08:46:04AM -0800, Gleb Smirnoff wrote: > On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 04:58:57PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: > A> something has changed in the output of "netstat -rn" between > A> 2024-11-23-195545 and 2025-01-22-151306. The default route is not listed as > A> "default" anymore, but with "0.0.0.0" resp. "::/0". This breaks some tools > A> (e.g. iocage). Iocage uses python, I'm not sure if it uses netstat or some > A> other interface, so it may not be directly related to netstat itself but > A> could be related to some other stuff (netlink maybe?). > A> > A> Does this ring a bell for someone? > > This is very likely changed by 9206c79961986c2114a9a2cfccf009ac010ad259. > > Allan, may be make exclusion for the "default" to keep POLA? Otherwise, > indeed at time of 15.0-RELEASE we will receive some negative feedback :) I fully second this request. I was very much annoyed by this change, as "netstat -rn" is in my finger memory and seeing linuxish 0.0.0.0 instead of our usual "default" was totally unexpected and rather confusing. ./danfe