From nobody Tue Jan 28 16:46:04 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YjB4b4B2Wz5lkmG for ; Tue, 28 Jan 2025 16:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R10" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YjB4b3Q0xz3yKk; Tue, 28 Jan 2025 16:46:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1738082767; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8DpA+PtgFzqkY5Qx7ZQDzklfAsijSlvmF8qwIBAVSKY=; b=KcwiJ94iKivWA3xC2hlMKqbXGSg4v9E3+Jc2rzY3qVTYAMNF/YEDWOjXFKiVuwCuVzSFFe 6MWulNFUbx105DfboD0JBmg2rhAvtHRgdRcW5detV+pAvfw1aGFfZ1vTiiRkK5S9rHN81b RH0cWZo04L6HAfDGnfPo4OO5h0zOXuERXd0u8txMbXAMb9+9Xi8crB5kpBTYt/kOSaO76q Zp/C8sE5exf4S9JyPEnRqtyWPyuhA2ThQN3eaGuuQtn2i0Nn6UvDdcFF5VA745iTh5d6Bu TbGyXTcr2ufWAAahsLl2LciZpVqVAzQQdzfIFlBxHf3sQgoI83N8bFzOXnw7vQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1738082767; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=8DpA+PtgFzqkY5Qx7ZQDzklfAsijSlvmF8qwIBAVSKY=; b=pj5p6LZNr17bS160P2rgZZDQyQFsVAbWp61+nI5xPbbpMpnOwcGSQd/JNXqGgmkje/T9CB iiSWzOyIHIPYxTfJ02RIVpyYibKRKausJ9MsPx6gyalZOp1d8bg+F2cH5P+byaqg0bReBW 0ukKVMkN+QXXA+I89QQyHEH3uYO3Mn5V9yakp8i/WQTF/fkd6uP3qjeA68CvdRfEY3YsqC enTnKHqK7yVLOPqEYbyV2TvMxWdkmAc4p+Zen2vU2VqcXSvxOlD69jG1G1Hbgko1x/cwOo IZ/CbLPITDIhb26I0NV4iT9qJEyRBy/O9/ihVMNajz57m07MbjWxb1trY3v+Og== ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1738082767; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=x+OJVYDr3Rkg/WJ888oXmgdy+zb0za/HSna7O7jXWzFJMoUhDQyXKj9vRbZi2hJB/SM27w u9Eyk2p5mIcuF5Mcs8lcOcNgRDAuW1DzbAXFLKdeSA9ZEEmxbsbbnM3DY5lQw5gduDMbMx I0l2cIv66Ez0k7LdHdgN048R30tNVU1/g7Odz/VHXliE8f4Z+iHgHrC4jIHyGrq4cN+0FS /4ZLBuAegw3EoavdbInBWe30eFXfGfbHoTIquT+nmdrRHk39eunzFXuIR8OVluQCc2hDyy kIVs39Ld7CY319tGmK9Ji32eN2YIutilC1kj9xp9Zm/N09LK7RqSCYVlP8gL7w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from cell.glebi.us (glebi.us [162.251.186.162]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: glebius) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4YjB4Z6dRQz14hh; Tue, 28 Jan 2025 16:46:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from glebius@freebsd.org) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2025 08:46:04 -0800 From: Gleb Smirnoff To: Alexander Leidinger , allanjude@freebsd.org Cc: Current FreeBSD Subject: Re: Difference in "netstat -rn" output in the last 2 months Message-ID: References: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Sun, Jan 26, 2025 at 04:58:57PM +0100, Alexander Leidinger wrote: A> something has changed in the output of "netstat -rn" between A> 2024-11-23-195545 and 2025-01-22-151306. The default route is not listed as A> "default" anymore, but with "0.0.0.0" resp. "::/0". This breaks some tools A> (e.g. iocage). Iocage uses python, I'm not sure if it uses netstat or some A> other interface, so it may not be directly related to netstat itself but A> could be related to some other stuff (netlink maybe?). A> A> Does this ring a bell for someone? This is very likely changed by 9206c79961986c2114a9a2cfccf009ac010ad259. Allan, may be make exclusion for the "default" to keep POLA? Otherwise, indeed at time of 15.0-RELEASE we will receive some negative feedback :) Maybe double -nn should introduce new behavior? -- Gleb Smirnoff