From nobody Mon Feb 03 20:53:03 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YmzH259NCz5mgYT for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2025 20:53:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee) Received: from mail.ketas.si.pri.ee (d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:8437:13e8:21e:bff:fea2:d004]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YmzH15b4gz4K21 for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2025 20:53:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=ketas.si.pri.ee header.s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096 header.b=S3gEpYtL; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee designates 2001:7d0:8437:13e8:21e:bff:fea2:d004 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee; dmarc=pass (policy=reject) header.from=ketas.si.pri.ee X-Original-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ketas.si.pri.ee; s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096; t=1738615985; bh=uPYUzmjDXAfrwtFUjsbU6DXYc755xr5+qE77ITqowSw=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=S3gEpYtLJ5dwvQk4aYjIXzx6yYAzb68s2E3TTknDlCZFEcZ7uQt3ijp+b6vFNXTSe 9F56I9sZhRETuJrCaLctlWpQVkuDIAbzC3u3TlARj+1aK2PxKNH7qOEoLuOrTvVMW3 pzB0wovzQ7aM5Q5BwIyFKRexL3dZdPpUcKHmjmOtHvaLQNwFukAJSs4dyHo1eEUA1w EwJjP9Y27weAIl4szi5V7GgHJ13NVHw75mizgFKIFw2u/XV6SvyuGzBr63fEonZ1fU jK4BHRtETbFP+Wj0VEzeG5Zubqz41+Or8Hf4SyPCzFIaTpSeoUTjll/kO9RROsHwuG 9iLBeyudjlvToF26wzhjMV1Xj09GBLll91tXf7dYkctdjAa4/uFN6NYqgRuTDligp+ Jqq35qYNgbGeacv+uXjmlgm5FiIM6mO8TEdXs4dX+w2e4VzXp0zMS/wQTluuVWBh1e rKgRnrAqf9ywA7raVSXLC27a7rF848MFCtVWhMkvci2bTig5zt6tLxb0QXPuoJ74CL mo/4G+iWDqLhBllLkIe9b4fmWjZKWI6hbzYl6GRIrd3AUiQ9m45yPyYx2JuQMH0at2 YkmVzRgwxCCyYnnRMFImcUD3qeghuL8y1W5JYzYuOHyk10qmyRKQwdP3ovMIRWMI2F Zfjoc+g0dP722NkwfYZTaEH0= Received: from [IPv6:::1] (0114-0000-0000-0000-13c8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee [IPv6:2001:7d0:8437:13c8::114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ketas.si.pri.ee (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ACABE59BA14 for ; Mon, 03 Feb 2025 22:53:04 +0200 (EET) Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2025 22:53:03 +0200 From: Sulev-Madis Silber To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system) User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.13 / 15.00]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_5(3.00)[d004-fea2-0bff-021e-13e8-8437-07d0-2001.dyn.estpak.ee]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[ketas.si.pri.ee,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.33)[-0.330]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[ketas.si.pri.ee:s=ketas-si-pri-ee-20240416002854-4096]; ONCE_RECEIVED(0.20)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2001:7d0:8437:1300::/56]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3249, ipnet:2001:7d0::/32, country:EE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MLMMJ_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[ketas.si.pri.ee:+] X-Spamd-Bar: / X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YmzH15b4gz4K21 btw, has anyone tried to observe boot if you have like ~50 network interfac= es? it's all useful debug but it's wall of text? but i would not change def= ault i wouldn't change defaults for kernel too and our kernel has actually structured output this is not the case in eg linux kernel or even init, esp init of random a= pplicances=2E basically every kernel module developer prints out ascii art = and text in formats he personally likes to=2E sometimes lines are just as i= f just because to print SOMETHING=2E the result is that you don't understan= d shit p=2Es=2E: recently there was topic to split wg config out of ifconfig as i= fconfig is overloaded=2E well, at least it works=2E imagine debugging netwo= rk in linux distros=2E i'm not aware what other oses do, but you can look i= nto ifconfig to see that interface is up, then you need to go look if netwo= rk link is actually up from ethtool (?)=2E it's easy to mistake this in hur= ry or if beginning or casual or even experienced adminning=2E i saw this se= cond hand=2E i wished to bash my head on table because like whyyyy, has any= one ever used this in real life? how many mistakes you made? it's all relat= ed because this is also consistency, readability and general use / understa= nding type of issue=2E just like system boot logs