From nobody Sun Feb 02 12:08:25 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Ym7h70WWxz5mTsT for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2025 12:08:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allbery.b@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x634.google.com (mail-ej1-x634.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::634]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "WR4" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Ym7h64J5Bz3qSK for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2025 12:08:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from allbery.b@gmail.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: by mail-ej1-x634.google.com with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-ab6fb1851d4so398296966b.0 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2025 04:08:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1738498117; x=1739102917; darn=freebsd.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=FgMSodiqUpCs9bU51h58Mlo1ppsFgx4Hf41RiNBU1XQ=; b=FBczL7Y3rFnejuvA0HOAy/7xuDFCrn4p1entcKM5pD0poCLE0GbFiMJTyvTyRlJGBe 5JSEb4hWq88EQXzfqry0HeKEoGy06SHqz/C1pVpjapXkGHSktHxML3p2Lm3nPuD3p2aq jnFN3XqQH4bHriN9XjUykUzjVWQUmZg5YiGlX+wgKg//KlFx9VeuYabPY8dtenmsICHk SI8JbdH5mIycyU1r1j4KEg8ucrLSKhsvbx0apNGIO9WumHM6p0dKsUaK+GtobeNovcu0 A3OhMk5AeU1D6WhpXtnOomto6Q7xgC7IP6pfm5fAFBBn6pXKFKFGmWxi3WFts8HOlD4p 0dow== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1738498117; x=1739102917; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=FgMSodiqUpCs9bU51h58Mlo1ppsFgx4Hf41RiNBU1XQ=; b=CqmgErMaj34j+RlGr2SsJQuj7laE1plu4Ro+Qwlr2a+rGUwXoU9X93NJsdwOoFx2WP XsMHMoBBM8gVHXo1TJxKsM5x00DKX01Tn6SYz8bRS21W/NoxwDpfChn5cGv0UEk//gxa +ExQSrxJ4zADxorFo+jYpj66x3d7HMefdWIyRCNdbNQXAFLttbn/kXGSHbi04UezvGgx sIBzL2kGeXqTgbHYovO4AdVQM8iZrIF8/OOdnqkoiOpoU8ZaH+DjgsWssCi5q9SwPuQr R48LTOa485RqJzRm8xFe0pi3Mzl7rvLvByM/pIXxkzPtXeMJsx1hnP7LlQitXfPdCAP/ ok0w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx8Hm1V17po3LeXs9kMwSuLuNX8DMGy2HSJeOkD5grvL5gdT+vu VAPgcfsbwjSr1O2C6+46y8ok9I/kiHlgxZsbSZ3DYmDIVDwgi4s+lHzrCbY2i5e0Qe9DKj2M5gW arVhnEmWMBmTucfPY/IyCLPFGinOZiw== X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncsW3kMS/FS2qu4+LX/9sHjzHVW7msAU1EijfgdHl2ErE71CZSI+DyacDn6fKw8 /BueYWDBQpqo1Q7P4DqEHxR71dP+yJzJxfY1I9hA5qGMwG+Px2YsqRnFb3OxwO0N5WzrfRlRP X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGVcvnwDO18ivYE7RwXWrJb9Ej5DG+nsDgd2ufmS5pUUqq+JVkhlJ2KJ2BIahcVjVMyvVgQozjV9i8UkNPhsEA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:7d9e:b0:ab6:f4eb:91aa with SMTP id a640c23a62f3a-ab6f7443f26mr1322637366b.10.1738498116615; Sun, 02 Feb 2025 04:08:36 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0EF11DA1-448F-4A5A-A6E2-7764985C5C95@ketas.si.pri.ee> In-Reply-To: <0EF11DA1-448F-4A5A-A6E2-7764985C5C95@ketas.si.pri.ee> From: Brandon Allbery Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 07:08:25 -0500 X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZk5XuB-z-3AgJWZH42IwtRwF6kgdZKmnUznPJK5_WKEam9q6oBwaSTonZs Message-ID: Subject: Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system) To: Sulev-Madis Silber Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000af073b062d27a2ed" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Ym7h64J5Bz3qSK X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US] --000000000000af073b062d27a2ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Sulev-Madis Silber < freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote: > i'm thinking of what linux distros do. they are more common on laptops. i > haven't heard them hiding all and nor do i hear massive complaints about > "machine scribberish"? > systemd-journald captures all the logs and you use journalctl to access them. dmesg does most of the relevant things on fbsd. > also, when people, maybe not on fbsd but else where, complained that it > boots over a minute, how can it be. who even boots machines that much. th= at > was for servers. maybe laptops get booted nore often, esp. how the suspen= d > doesn't often work and nevermind to disk, that's not even implemented. so > people boot. also, is this recent or what. systems have booted for some > time since forever. ok this is about time, not messages. maybe times inde= ed > need blank screens with nice images > Linux systemd puts a UI up as quickly as possible while booting continues in the background. I'm not sure how trustworthy that is, TBH. --=20 brandon s allbery kf8nh allbery.b@gmail.com --000000000000af073b062d27a2ed Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 6:40=E2=80=AFAM Su= lev-Madis Silber <freebsd-current-freebsd-org111@ketas.si.pri.ee> wrote:
i'm thinking of what linux distros do. they= are more common on laptops. i haven't heard them hiding all and nor do= i hear massive complaints about "machine scribberish"?

systemd-journald captures all the logs and you u= se journalctl to access them. dmesg does most of the relevant things on fbs= d.
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= also, when people, maybe not on fbsd but else where, complained that it boo= ts over a minute, how can it be. who even boots machines that much. that wa= s for servers. maybe laptops get booted nore often, esp. how the suspend do= esn't often work and nevermind to disk, that's not even implemented= . so people boot. also, is this recent or what. systems have booted for som= e time since forever. ok this is about time, not messages. maybe times inde= ed need blank screens with nice images

= Linux systemd puts a UI up as quickly as possible while booting continues i= n the background. I'm not sure how trustworthy that is, TBH.

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