From nobody Sun Feb 02 01:42:48 2025 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4YlspH5VCqz5md5M for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2025 01:43:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Received: from udns.ultimatedns.net (udns.ultimatedns.net [24.113.41.81]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "ultimatedns.net", Issuer "R11" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4YlspH2tJkz3ZR9 for ; Sun, 02 Feb 2025 01:43:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none Received: from ultimatedns.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by udns.ultimatedns.net (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTP id 5121gnoH048830; Sat, 1 Feb 2025 17:42:55 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from bsd-lists@bsdforge.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=ultimatedns.net; s=mx99; t=1738460575; x=1738461175; r=y; bh=JqUTeV6fcHhUd+WYtpllJ8Foulvhh3xMJL9x2F5xQ8g=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=AZQp3sr8N+yu+ZOuLOtQGuVY3XlQ17EafHqRrH2FReAz8QOObIhVj2CyReUkI6WKu tiBkb5JelvXP0zfN2ou00uaTWK/qRt5LOuCKfLFjSwONs5pmAg9wvk9M1FyWk7DHQD nJhripBw9y/lSjGpCf5KK4zFJ1NeY9iG8Gt6Vf0TdSzJKV4f40XDr2y3RDGST7yE4f QC3Zmo81X9D1vj2dfRdRyB3iCRDioOECzaMuclLMWgdofQQd29HCCGtN/z9DkA6OL2 2x+dZsqsX6esL49H3OIByUZvKQTo01XvvfTbrez2VUpFPjsqNmZ73aB1sUQWEdml5V 5jwCzPcyZqt2Q== List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2025 17:42:48 -0800 From: Chris To: Tomek CEDRO Cc: "Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)" , freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system) In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: UDNSMS/17.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: bsd-lists@bsdforge.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4YlspH2tJkz3ZR9 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:11404, ipnet:24.113.0.0/16, country:US] On 2025-02-01 16:18, Tomek CEDRO wrote: > On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 12:16 AM Steven Harms (High-Security Mail) > wrote: >> Greetings, >> I have created https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1582 in an >> effort to quiet down some of the chattiness of module linking and network >> diagnostics on startup. I'm used to working in a git-based workflow and saw >> no action on the PR, so I thought I would notify here. If that's not the >> correct procedure, please advise. >> Thanks for all the work everyone on the list does! >> Steven > > Thanks @sgharms :-) I am against the change in current form because: > * The concept may be useful for someone but it shall be a manually > selectable option like `rc_mute` (in analog to `boot_mute`) and not a > default. Maybe `rc_loglevel` that can get `silent, error, warning, > info, verbose, debug` levels to rc scripts and services? Change does > not provide a choice. > * Boot log messages are extremely useful, they contain important > diagnostic messages, these need to be logged even if silenced, these > cannot be just sent to `/dev/null`. Change alters (breaks) logging. > * Why not just put a boot logo image if you really do not want to see > the boot messages? It will provide better user experience as expected > but will not break the diagnostic information that are usually useful. > > My 2 cents :-) I'm in complete agreement with Tomek. This (proposed) change has security implications. One gets used to the messages that scroll by. Which makes it easier to notice different ones, which might implicate security related problems. "Ignorance is bliss". But has its cost. While I can see a possible interest by some for this change. I think 1) it should never be default, 2) the boot logo option already exists, and easily addresses the "noisiness" complaint some may have. Thanks for your interest. -- sent from a device written from and running on FreeBSD