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[209.85.219.178]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 00721157ae682-6f8c465befdsm14607057b3.64.2025.02.01.16.18.20 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:18:20 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-yb1-f178.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e46ac799015so3264865276.0 for ; Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:18:20 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:e02:b0:e57:37d5:e275 with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e58a4ac575dmr13099596276.18.1738455500324; Sat, 01 Feb 2025 16:18:20 -0800 (PST) List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomek CEDRO Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2025 01:18:07 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: AWEUYZl7gZI2NW8RYbdBvvfPrkhMSucE0hyDzMMzHfnS184e9HwDC9o9gY6kzIc Message-ID: Subject: Re: Adjustments to userland for a quieter startup (RC system) To: "Steven Harms (High-Security Mail)" Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Ylqwb3vnWz3GrX X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US] On Sun, Feb 2, 2025 at 12:16=E2=80=AFAM Steven Harms (High-Security Mail) wrote: > Greetings, > I have created https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/pull/1582 in an eff= ort to quiet down some of the chattiness of module linking and network diag= nostics on startup. I'm used to working in a git-based workflow and saw no = action on the PR, so I thought I would notify here. If that's not the corre= ct procedure, please advise. > Thanks for all the work everyone on the list does! > Steven Thanks @sgharms :-) I am against the change in current form because: * The concept may be useful for someone but it shall be a manually selectable option like `rc_mute` (in analog to `boot_mute`) and not a default. Maybe `rc_loglevel` that can get `silent, error, warning, info, verbose, debug` levels to rc scripts and services? Change does not provide a choice. * Boot log messages are extremely useful, they contain important diagnostic messages, these need to be logged even if silenced, these cannot be just sent to `/dev/null`. Change alters (breaks) logging. * Why not just put a boot logo image if you really do not want to see the boot messages? It will provide better user experience as expected but will not break the diagnostic information that are usually useful. My 2 cents :-) --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info