From nobody Sun Jan 14 16:39:21 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4TCgwC5sVbz56c6n for ; Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olce@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4TCgwC4G35z4M1b; Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:39:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olce@freebsd.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1705250363; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=QKGOCQ3V0qTpVhWN9ZxJXjNnPxvESEPO7ITA00Dq8sw=; b=U3K3n3+frCGGNACzXLJKlLN3qKL1bIe92yYS0/M7aLhfCzIhCcIrv4EhD2JJ/BHUFG618P 5Mj4FbX4l75Sx7pDB+O8hWuvpFvmoxs0d+jq/sWOXHp3xoI4+PfqALYZvHo40sKDaEFesv V4Sm+GfJXtpyD0VbIUtIAl2BzUcBb5Tl6eKBk9jYB748PRzMcqSqJx4VB33Bs50OCKFfDj hbQCqA5o6GVp0pSr0VOAByz29h9SCIBH80eaVNWM947TFCPe071AIBbu4E0vDDyz+frcs4 fgI/RN7fcdBuN4N/kwouUY8hoW8LHzhy0iBmu66bc8qkBX02k74OWIATHNh+9w== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=freebsd.org; s=dkim; t=1705250363; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=QKGOCQ3V0qTpVhWN9ZxJXjNnPxvESEPO7ITA00Dq8sw=; b=yayeccq09lC3MoZe/DRB9sPGQOKyhbnvPMXUG+g/NAYIz4L1F7JVUWXMkMo/eMA6naGOqi 13VIuHiokhWlIa4TxsJgVmSrZOrmrUP1TdSDB8Aa4WYimaQ6LwboKmX1GvsHJsTPf7Fa9h mzkFmFAFSEEm4mDK2z/T46bFCcmmrGc+4wYrR9z9hWGC8Jaa6MLYAzXZY6ldZ9ZVuxXjEF dTdDRZEjA2zI26YtWcc0CFzzzpW/ccoibxShyCQHe7AnwZkE0e5baOUwP3aT3hB7esSn3A n0rr4z6+HGaXhSgIaqShC2UDv591r+lzvACtGYAtEbmiBFQhv577w28LzhpRLg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx1.freebsd.org; none ARC-Seal: i=1; s=dkim; d=freebsd.org; t=1705250363; a=rsa-sha256; cv=none; b=pOW4WCJifd2+Fev4WJ26ICcIzmUMPSci9JDTAb6tbRTV6usxKkt6yisPVs+vetQa3a1/5v ERpvPomhO0itxwkJoOc0Js4/3+dJ7A5It4cHjkAXyG2XhnY8iDj0BjGGs4p5+G8HRRKw0Z oX+NUsrsMb7w1ZL8lbvqUBCX4xlyoWacuAkAQC35eNIB9tFzQdiv8c1sH/lKMmNPrVkAqy 8cHHgxeNzedSalJdcW5zvyuZSTrXmiRE1tn1R9/AKuc8MKCAVYSueVtIoPMBteIV1lKo7Z nxAyTBqMXAaAMM78cqqUMm/8wgBNoSGWwEZtLAtHrzfNWJvLucsPvNxEkgzZ/g== Received: from ravel.localnet (lfbn-nic-1-525-172.w90-118.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.118.140.172]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: olce/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4TCgwC0DQvz15BY; Sun, 14 Jan 2024 16:39:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from olce@freebsd.org) From: Olivier Certner To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Cc: Mark Millard , Current FreeBSD Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 17:39:21 +0100 Message-ID: <5611903.lHTDiQ2jlM@ravel> In-Reply-To: <202401110049.40B0ntj0046904@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <202401110049.40B0ntj0046904@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart2205692.EItD6Caizc"; micalg="pgp-sha384"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --nextPart2205692.EItD6Caizc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"; protected-headers="v1" From: Olivier Certner To: "Rodney W. Grimes" Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2024 17:39:21 +0100 Message-ID: <5611903.lHTDiQ2jlM@ravel> In-Reply-To: <202401110049.40B0ntj0046904@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> References: <202401110049.40B0ntj0046904@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Rodney, > ... Very well said Mark ... I don't share that enthusiasm. Please see my direct response to Mark. > Please folks stop tweaking defaults, especially long standing ones, > if you feel the need for noatime, set it, by all means, I have been > for 30 years.... If you're implying that I have been proposing to make 'noatime' the default thoughtlessly, because I jumped in following a question by robert@rrbrussell.com, then you couldn't be further from the truth (please see my other mails). If, despite that, this discussion bothers you, and for reasons that seem to be unrelated with the topic, what can I say? Nothing forces you to participate. Thanks at least for admitting that you're using 'noatime', as well as most of the other backers of the status quo in this discussion. Perhaps that should tell you something. Regards. -- Olivier Certner --nextPart2205692.EItD6Caizc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. 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