From nobody Thu Jan 11 07:36:24 2024 X-Original-To: freebsd-current@mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mlmmj.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4T9c1p0Vgvz56lwL for ; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 07:37:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Received: from mailgate.Leidinger.net (mailgate.leidinger.net [IPv6:2a00:1828:2000:313::1:5]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature ECDSA (P-256) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mailgate.leidinger.net", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4T9c1n26M2z4Pxp; Thu, 11 Jan 2024 07:37:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Alexander@Leidinger.net) Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: Sender: owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=leidinger.net; s=outgoing-alex; t=1704958606; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=qMrtwYpSUo43Vgew6Wbv4XQNYJNhJThji9Y1ypgeXS4=; b=Jaq4XqUmnR+1il9UXuHzKY/aVCRIUk4qA5LiH+X1QenRQAVRH7ebNOZzZKj+kpazC7ibjY gImcbJfHK03huZtC4ln0G11ckTuflheqzBRihvvSn1vDH6Fcg/HINza9xxgM3tgHyHi/pu ciQ9fwTNMOJcNQWI0EsWuKBz/XrR+Pv00vXfhSDvK0/GwIV3a09081WbKXKDur5VVS+LdD ui5UEYnS7I/RXCzdYgOgKdEFF8krUjwbmLnj+msARy/V+jN/2Gercne5bdddXDT8W0cAnN 4MfddAVKpAGXInsfMWdrtdkrNSoTTEiTwG52HMpSYCaBVmwmBmr0ma5NXhsSoQ== Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2024 08:36:24 +0100 From: Alexander Leidinger To: Mark Millard Cc: olce@freebsd.org, Current FreeBSD Subject: Re: noatime on ufs2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Organization: No organization, this is a private message. Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=_d35410f3dd5e84e7d2cf17ebf331a5c5"; micalg=pgp-sha256 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4T9c1n26M2z4Pxp X-Spamd-Bar: ---- X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:34240, ipnet:2a00:1828::/32, country:DE] This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --=_d35410f3dd5e84e7d2cf17ebf331a5c5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Am 2024-01-10 22:49, schrieb Mark Millard: > I never use atime, always noatime, for UFS. That said, I'd never > propose > changing the long standing defaults for commands and calls. I'd avoid: [good points I fully agree on] There's one possibility which nobody talked about yet... changing the default to noatime at install time in fstab / zfs set. I fully agree to not violate POLA by changing the default to noatime in any FS. I always set noatime everywhere on systems I take care about, no exceptions (any user visible mail is handled via maildir/IMAP, not mbox). I haven't made up my mind if it would be a good idea to change bsdinstall to set noatime (after asking the user about it, and later maybe offer the possibility to use relatime in case it gets implemented). I think it is at least worthwile to discuss this possibility (including what the default setting of bsdinstall should be for this option). Bye, Alexander. -- http://www.Leidinger.net Alexander@Leidinger.net: PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF http://www.FreeBSD.org netchild@FreeBSD.org : PGP 0x8F31830F9F2772BF --=_d35410f3dd5e84e7d2cf17ebf331a5c5 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc; size=833 Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEER9UlYXp1PSd08nWXEg2wmwP42IYFAmWfmogACgkQEg2wmwP4 2Ib/+RAAg+0jAyio4x7GDqANZe9bNLtmqc1w4V9dV5WViSm1CG9dsQHxw0ZDLxvf StyNenQOdEPimd0jdmaa/yQrSAbcPAXY0jeMXdcVtipYtqfTLJMWhspPLkHBEP05 WnMp+TKomN2TIGn9GLGMOtyewLhJOPlapF1mnEw7TG0NiZW2C/xuVtud8OrN8pCN SnhBKkwNbicbTcN+YpYq1TnR82sm3cMuh+CMT539r0sdrXIAWMKyvl4GkvVx3XRh +RE3yK1iVyDIQpg1GRyeNI+c2Hs6MGVr1VKOjyytBgglfA9cHcl6VHJyDacQx0BR PpLD0JQwdzV6eQxzdSIkwhc33FiXjUFR5+5Io3N16gjaaKUBib/3XnticspaVqbL Af6+DAftn7bfxsZZeStmYU+XWFge0KtgRvw0kETcEHj+e/JD/tdirH/3mhlkU6tY 6dofpt2uwY5kn/NrWXGljaJE/Mo39qoqq7Uw8HtRB2W4okCYGEyMYPDWBhXRROc4 KG28iZ3WbjJJfUAswqzExH8zDCfhP4iwLncCq1sAhfYgVY7Q+FklOn+GDO7ECIR3 wSQjSR9yTeGSHJ1bcjeA4lNstDmFvQPHKlSpjgvt1aEEaNXKO09A5j6X9+VEkWp/ hY6rtLnhofSb+HWJcoZmfz4TCAXpOgVe+fkiJpAXj+ZnVCFPzTg= =SSje -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=_d35410f3dd5e84e7d2cf17ebf331a5c5--